OT Joe's not a plumber

In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 16, 2:27*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

WOW. esus. Must be the same team that vetted Palin. I hope these
aren't the same folks ordering the kegs for the "Victory" Party? But
remember, Rove & Co usually have big last minute surprises. I am
waiting.

But. . . this thing could help the Rs. IF the RNC concludes McCain is
a lost cause, OR McCain starts running as McCain again and drops the
RNC funded smear stuff, THEN the RNC might shift their money into the
Senate races, where they could still salvage something. On the Senate
side the Rs are in trouble in several RED states. If the RNC refocused
its $$$ it could make a difference, or so Ive heard.

Dave

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:02:08 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

Oh, well, then, if the Toledo plumber's licensing bureau says Joe isn't
a licensed plumber and Joe isn't making over 161 grand, then that puts
an entirely different light on Obama's whole proposed taxation scheme.
See, all of those economists who've said that his plans were completely
unrealistic didn't have all the facts. But I'm sure that now that they
understand this one guy isn't actually going to be personally affected
by Obama's plans, they'll soon come around and see that Obama really
will be able to pay X amount of stuff domestically with 1/2 X dollars
while simultaneously paying off the US national debt and buying the
world a Coke and dinner at their choice of The French Laundry or Louis
XV...

Sheesh,
R

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or
may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a
big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have
the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any
position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your
local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must*
have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

I read the article. Some guy says he has to be licensed apprentice or
journeyman. What license is that? Is every carpenter licensed? Calif is
very strict on licenses and if you are an employee of a licensed
constractor, you work under his license. Maybe Ohio is even more in the
pocket of the construction unions.

Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"daytripper" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.
Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. ...

Are you aware that Joe the Wannabe Plumber doesn't live or work
in California ? So yeah, you're wrong.

Here's Joe's real story, the one you know but would never admit.
Joe doesn't make anywhere near $250K, Joe is not a rich man, but
one of these days he will be by the sweat of his brow alone. And
when that day comes Joe doesn't want his tax money going to some
inner city welfare mom who sits around smoking crack all day and
has never worked a day in her life.

It doesn't have to be spelled out as clearly as I just have, it's
been the subtext of the GOP's white working class male strategy
for years and that is exactly why the right wing blogosphere jumped
all over Joe the Wannabe Plumber's Youtube video appearance. It
fits the GOP story line perfectly.

McCain's problem was trusting the right wing blogosphere to get
the story straight. As it turns out Joe's story is as phony as
a three dollar bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Why the hell should you give the lazy mom Joes money. You want her to have
lots of money, you give her yours. Via a charity or whatever.