OT and Political: Blizzard Exercises: Knee Jerking

Oh Condescending One? You there? This is your uneducated,
liar, idiot, pig, moron, ignoramus almost friend here
with something to exercise your knees with while you
wait out the blizzard.

What I am about to say will make your knees jerk
really hard. So move them away from anything that
is sharp, blunt or just plane hard.

Here goes: the "Nazis" were leftists and socialists.
"Brown on the outside, red on the inside"

Wait it, wait for it, we are waiting on the limitation
of the speed of sound here, wait for it ... [muffled
thudding sound] Oh My! That must have hurt! Goodness,
that was a really bad word. Uh oh, another one: I'm going
to have to look that one up. Next time listen to me!

That the Nazi's are called rightest is a propagandists
slight of hand.

You will like this one from Joseph Goebbels
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

The worker in a capitalist state — and that is
his deepest misfortune — is no longer a living
human being, a creator, a maker. He has become a
machine. A number, a cog in the machine without
sense or understanding.

And some more Goebbels drivel from the same source:
Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism,
that is the union of all citizens, the only chance
to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain
our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the
working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth
class and its incorporation in the political organism
of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to
breaking the present slavery and regaining German
freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter
of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone,
for freeing the German people from slavery is the
goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its
true form only through a total fighting brotherhood
with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened
nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing,
a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky,
a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom,
the fatherland!

And he drivels on and on and on. Real believer in freedom
and free enterprise there.

Here are some fun quotes for you:
http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

It is true that the Nazis and socialists were
rivals for power in Weimar Germany. On account
of their similar political ideologies, however,
this rivalry collapsed in the face of the defeat
of their common enemy: capitalism. Forgive me
for "quoting Ayn Rand", but the following is a
matter of historical fact:

...in the German election of 1933, the Communist
Party was ordered by its leaders to vote for the
Nazis -- with the explanation that they could
later fight the Nazis for power, but first they
had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism
and its parliamentary form of government
("'Extremism,' or The Art of Smearing", September
1964, in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, pg. 180).

Dr. Leonard Peikoff reaffirms this point in his book,
The Ominous Parallels:

The communists, too, wanted to use Hitler. Time
after time their deputies voted with the Nazis in
the Reichstag; they voted against legislation designed
to cope with emergencies, against measures designed
to curb violence, against attempts to maintain in
office any kind of stable government. The Communists
even agreed to cooperate with Nazi thugs. In November
1932, for instance, the two mortal enemies could be
observed standing comfortably, shoulder to shoulder,
on the streets of Berlin, collecting money to support
a violent strike by the city's transportation workers.

When Hitler's fortunes seemed to be faltering for a time in
1932, a stream of anxious Nazis poured into the ranks of
the Communists; the Germans watching said that a Nazi is
like beefsteak: brown on the outside, red on the inside.
Soon, however, the traffic was in the opposite direction.
"[T]here is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates
us from it," said Hitler to Rauschning. "There is, above
all, genuine revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere
in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have
always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders
that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at
once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union
boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist
always will" (Quoting from Rauschning's The Voice of Destruction,
pg. 131) (Peikoff, 221).

Peikoff continues:

In the final months the Communists viewed the growing Nazi
strength with equanimity. The triumph of Nazism, they said,
has been ordained by the dialectic process; such triumph
will lead to the destruction of the republican form of
government, which is a necessary stage in the achievement
of communism. Afterward, they said, the Nazis will
quickly fade and the party of Lenin can take over (222).

Here is some more reading, if you get board:
http://www.google.com/search?q=nazis+as+leftists

To restate: that the Nazi's are called rightest is
a propagandists slight of hand. Goebbels kind of let
the cat out of the bag.

Conservative and right wing: limited government, free enterprise

Liberal and left wing: large intrusive government, socialism

Fascist: large intrusive dictatorial government, socialism

Yup. Them Nazis were real right wingers! Any relation to
what they believed (except the Final Solution) and any
current left wing movement in the States in purely
coincidental. Hmmm what kind of cars can I drive, what
kind of washing machines can I purchase, what kind of
light bulbs can I use, what kind of medical coverage
can I buy? Yup, purely coincidental.

Hope your knee heals up soon.

t.

On Dec 12, 9:06*pm, Todd wrote:
Oh Condescending One? *You there? *This is your uneducated,
liar, idiot, pig, moron, ignoramus almost friend here
with something to exercise your knees with while you
wait out the blizzard.

What I am about to say will make your knees jerk
really hard. *So move them away from anything that
is sharp, blunt or just plane hard.

Here goes: the "Nazis" were leftists and socialists.
"Brown on the outside, red on the inside"

Wait it, wait for it, we are waiting on the limitation
of the speed of sound here, wait for it ... [muffled
thudding sound] *Oh My! *That must have hurt! *Goodness,
that was a really bad word. *Uh oh, another one: I'm going
to have to look that one up. *Next time listen to me!

That the Nazi's are called rightest is a propagandists
slight of hand.

You will like this one from Joseph Goebbelshttp://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

* * *The worker in a capitalist state and that is
* * *his deepest misfortune is no longer a living
* * *human being, a creator, a maker. He has become a
* * *machine. A number, a cog in the machine without
* * *sense or understanding.

And some more Goebbels drivel from the same source:
* * *Why Are We Socialists?

* * *We are socialists because we see in socialism,
* * *that is the union of all citizens, the only chance
* * *to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain
* * *our political freedom and renew our German state.

* * *Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the
* * *working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth
* * *class and its incorporation in the political organism
* * *of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to
* * *breaking the present slavery and regaining German
* * *freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter
* * *of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone,
* * *for freeing the German people from slavery is the
* * *goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its
* * *true form only through a total fighting brotherhood
* * *with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened
* * *nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing,
* * *a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky,
* * *a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom,
* * *the fatherland!

And he drivels on and on and on. *Real believer in freedom
and free enterprise there.

Here are some fun quotes for you:http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

* * * *It is true that the Nazis and socialists were
* * * *rivals for power in Weimar Germany. On account
* * * *of their similar political ideologies, however,
* * * *this rivalry collapsed in the face of the defeat
* * * *of their common enemy: capitalism. Forgive me
* * * *for "quoting Ayn Rand", but the following is a
* * * *matter of historical fact:

* * * * * ...in the German election of 1933, the Communist
* * * * * Party was ordered by its leaders to vote for the
* * * * * Nazis -- with the explanation that they could
* * * * * later fight the Nazis for power, but first they
* * * * * had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism
* * * * * and its parliamentary form of government
* * * * * ("'Extremism,' or The Art of Smearing", September
* * * * * 1964, in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, pg. 180).

* * * *Dr. Leonard Peikoff reaffirms this point in his book,
* * * *The Ominous Parallels:

* * * * * The communists, too, wanted to use Hitler. Time
* * * * * after time their deputies voted with the Nazis in
* * * * * the Reichstag; they voted against legislation designed
* * * * * to cope with emergencies, against measures designed
* * * * * to curb violence, against attempts to maintain in
* * * * * office any kind of stable government. The Communists
* * * * * even agreed to cooperate with Nazi thugs. In November
* * * * * 1932, for instance, the two mortal enemies could be
* * * * * observed standing comfortably, shoulder to shoulder,
* * * * * on the streets of Berlin, collecting money to support
* * * * * a violent strike by the city's transportation workers..

* * * When Hitler's fortunes seemed to be faltering for a time in
* * * 1932, a stream of anxious Nazis poured into the ranks of
* * * the Communists; the Germans watching said that a Nazi is
* * * like beefsteak: brown on the outside, red on the inside.
* * * Soon, however, the traffic was in the opposite direction.
* * * "[T]here is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates
* * * us from it," said Hitler to Rauschning. "There is, above
* * * all, genuine revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere
* * * in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have
* * * always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders
* * * that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at
* * * once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union
* * * boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist
* * * always will" (Quoting from Rauschning's The Voice of Destruction,
* * * pg. 131) (Peikoff, 221).

* * * Peikoff continues:

* * * * * In the final months the Communists viewed the growing Nazi
* * * * * strength with equanimity. The triumph of Nazism, they said,
* * * * * has been ordained by the dialectic process; such triumph
* * * * * will lead to the destruction of the republican form of
* * * * * government, which is a necessary stage in the achievement
* * * * * of communism. Afterward, they said, the Nazis will
* * * * * quickly fade and the party of Lenin can take over (222).

Here is some more reading, if you get board:http://www.google.com/search?q=nazis+as+leftists

To restate: that the Nazi's are called rightest is
a propagandists slight of hand. *Goebbels kind of let
the cat out of the bag.

Conservative and right wing: limited government, free enterprise

Liberal and left wing: large intrusive government, socialism

Fascist: large intrusive dictatorial government, socialism

Yup. *Them Nazis were real right wingers! *Any relation to
what they believed (except the Final Solution) and any
current left wing movement in the States in purely
coincidental. *Hmmm what kind of cars can I drive, what
kind of washing machines can I purchase, what kind of
light bulbs can I use, what kind of medical coverage
can I buy? *Yup, purely coincidental.

Hope your knee heals up soon.

t.

p.s. *"die pig"?

p.s.s. still believe in you. *Be a gentleman
and disagree without being disagreeable. You
can do it. *You have the capability!

You know how most people, if they think about it all, suppose that
stupid is a static condition.....you got it or you ain't? Actually,
as you demonstrate more and more often, it's dynamic.......it just
keeps on getting bigger and bigger.

****wit.

g.

On 12/12/2010 08:12 PM, Giles wrote:
p.s.s. still believe in you. Be a gentleman
and disagree without being disagreeable. You
can do it. You have the capability!

You know how most people, if they think about it all, suppose that
stupid is a static condition.....you got it or you ain't? Actually,
as you demonstrate more and more often, it's dynamic.......it just
keeps on getting bigger and bigger.

Interesting. That is how you handle people who disagree
with you? A little high on ourselves are we?

****wit.

Why is it I almost like you again?

g.

I am glad you hear your are still alive and surviving
the blizzard. You are getting slightly more civil too.
This is good. I hope there is not too much damage
to your trees. And, I hope your knee(s) is(are) not too
badly damaged.

How did you like the Joseph Goebbel quotes?

Yours in friendship,
t.

On Dec 12, 10:32*pm, Todd wrote:
On 12/12/2010 08:12 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s.s. still believe in you. *Be a gentleman
*and disagree without being disagreeable. You
*can do it. *You have the capability!
You know how most people, if they think about it all, suppose that
stupid is a static condition.....you got it or you ain't? *Actually,
as you demonstrate more and more often, it's dynamic.......it just
keeps on getting bigger and bigger.

Interesting. *That is how you handle people who disagree
with you? *A little high on ourselves are we?

****wit.

Why is it I almost like you again?

g.

I am glad you hear your are still alive and surviving
the blizzard. You are getting slightly more civil too.
This is good. *I hope there is not too much damage
to your trees. And, I hope your knee(s) is(are) not too
badly damaged.

How did you like the Joseph Goebbel quotes?

Yours in friendship,
t.

p.s. *this will "all" stop when you finally break down
and call me a "Nitwit". *Okay, it won't, but we
can all pretend. * :-)


Moron.

g.