Fishing Hooks

Hi All U ROFFers,

At one time O. Mustad & Son of Norway 'owned' the fly hook market in the
USA. When I started in this business in 1965 we bragged about actually
having Mustad hooks in the big sporting goods store I worked for.

Then along came the Japanese hooks (TMC imported by Umpqua) and took that
market away from them. Now Mustad and Eagle Claw hook companies are trying
to play catch up but it is pretty tough now that there are a half dozen good
brands of Japanese hooks.

Actually the Japanese hook companies pretty much took all the fishing hook
business in the USA.

The Japanese hooks are sharper with hard metal with smaller barbs and
smaller better formed eyes.

You will always have people that will argue anything for the sake of
auguring.

Also there are those who will always want to buy the cheaper products and
try to convince themselves and others that the 'good stuff' is really just a
capitalist plot to get all your money. har har.........

My business is supply and demand so we don't carry any Mustad hooks except a
few old traditional salt water hooks for people on a budget. At one time we
had 95% Mustad, now we are ~5% Mustad. In the real world the customers
decide what you carry and if you don't follow that you will be history. I
have about $30,000 invested in a network of computers, software and training
with Retail Pro point of sale software to tell me these things.

Like I said before, my opinion means nothing, but my customers' opinions do.
Our only decision at the shop is what new products to put in stock then
customers take over after that.

The good thing is after all is said and done, you can do what ever you want
and it is OK.

"Four................."

--
Bill "Full of Bull" Kiene

Kiene's "BS" Fly Shop
Goofsville, OK, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com

I agree.

bruce h

wrote...
I agree.

With what?
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt on either yahoo or earthlink to respond via email)

"Warren" wrote in message
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wrote...
I agree.

With what?

Oh, most all of it. Mostly I'm just a smart ass.

bruce h :-)

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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Hi All U ROFFers,

At one time O. Mustad & Son of Norway 'owned' the fly hook market in the
USA. When I started in this business in 1965 we bragged about actually
having Mustad hooks in the big sporting goods store I worked for.



Quite right, the same situation pertained in Europe as well, with the
exception of one or two English hookmakers Mustad was the "only game in
town". I still have a fairly large selection of Mustads, at one time the
3904A was "the" standard wet fly hook. They were good hooks, and they never
let me down. Metallurgy and manufacturing techniques have improved very
considerably in the meantime, so it is rather surprising that Mustad did not
manage to maintain their "almost" monopoly.

In my opinion, there are now far too many hooks on the market, and they are
also far too expensive. But that´s how it goes! When I first started, 100
boxes were normal, and many people bought 1000 boxes of hooks. Now you are
lucky if you can find a package with more than ten or at the most 25 hooks
in it. The packaging now costs more than the contents.

Japanese hooks are for the most part very good quality, although as Bill
says, some tend towards being rather brittle. This is more than likely due
to over-tempering. They seem to like "harder" hooks.

TL
MC

Mike I agree with your observations. You are right on! There are too many
of the wrong kind of hooks on the market today.

More that ten years before Bill started in his business, Mustad did NOT own
the popping bug hook market in the U.S. Several French and United Kingdom
firms sold inverted 'U' hump and 'S' hump bronzed hooks. I think they were
available in a range of sizes up to 4/0 and to 4X longs. It is sad that
today only the Mustad 33903 is still widely available and Mustad has dropped
their larger sizes.

Besides being unduly high priced the Mustad and other brands of salt water
stainless steel hooks are far too heavy for freshwater bass fishing as they
require more buoyancy in the popper body to offset their weight. The
proportions are off due to the excess weight. Sadly there are too few
options so we have to use them. All we need it to have HEAVIER popping bugs
hit us in the back of the head. g

Thank goodness they are too brittle also. All we need besides them hitting
the back of our head is for them to stick in our neck!

Good luck!
John

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
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Hi All U ROFFers,

At one time O. Mustad & Son of Norway 'owned' the fly hook market in the
USA. When I started in this business in 1965 we bragged about actually
having Mustad hooks in the big sporting goods store I worked for.



Quite right, the same situation pertained in Europe as well, with the
exception of one or two English hookmakers Mustad was the "only game in
town". I still have a fairly large selection of Mustads, at one time the
3904A was "the" standard wet fly hook. They were good hooks, and they
never
let me down. Metallurgy and manufacturing techniques have improved very
considerably in the meantime, so it is rather surprising that Mustad did
not
manage to maintain their "almost" monopoly.

In my opinion, there are now far too many hooks on the market, and they
are
also far too expensive. But that´s how it goes! When I first started, 100
boxes were normal, and many people bought 1000 boxes of hooks. Now you
are
lucky if you can find a package with more than ten or at the most 25 hooks
in it. The packaging now costs more than the contents.

Japanese hooks are for the most part very good quality, although as Bill
says, some tend towards being rather brittle. This is more than likely due
to over-tempering. They seem to like "harder" hooks.

TL
MC

On Mon, 24 May 2004, bassrecord wrote:

Besides being unduly high priced the Mustad and other brands of salt water
stainless steel hooks are far too heavy for freshwater bass fishing as they
require more buoyancy in the popper body to offset their weight.

You need to find a better source of hooks. The advantage of the expensive
Japanese hooks is that they are available in light wire diameters even in
large hook gap sizes. The Mustad 3407 is much heavier than Gamakatsu or
Dai-Ichi hooks.

Mu