Spade V's Eyed Hooks - Your opinions

So folks

What are the benifits in the different hook types. ie. Spade end v's Eyed.

I'm tying a tucked Half Blood Knot on my eyed hooks and the spade end knot
as per this site
http://www.floatsgone.btinternet.co....adeendknot.htm
It doesnt specify how many times that you have to go around the hook, I have
tried between 5 and 10 with the knot becoming less secure the more turns
there are....

I personally have found the tucked half blood both easier to tie and more
secure. One out of every three of my spade knots just slips off of the top
of the hook..

So are there any benifits to either hook type, or are there different knots
that I should be trying, or am I doing it way wrong.

Tench Ninja wrote:
: So folks
:
: What are the benifits in the different hook types. ie. Spade end v's
: Eyed.
:
: I'm tying a tucked Half Blood Knot on my eyed hooks and the spade
end
: knot as per this site
: http://www.floatsgone.btinternet.co....adeendknot.htm
: It doesnt specify how many times that you have to go around the
hook,
: I have tried between 5 and 10 with the knot becoming less secure the
: more turns there are....
:
: I personally have found the tucked half blood both easier to tie and
: more secure. One out of every three of my spade knots just slips off
: of the top of the hook..
:
: So are there any benifits to either hook type, or are there
different
: knots that I should be trying, or am I doing it way wrong.

Once you've made the loop and are lashing it around the flank you
should give it about six turns, then pull the loose end through the
loop as tightly as you can, i generally use a pair of forceps and find
that I can usually tighten it by about 4mm of line....snip the loose
end off a few mm from the knot.

Spades are better than eyed because they hang better from the line,
eyed ones always seem to be at a weird angle from the end of the line.

BTW....As shown on that site, if you make the loop quite large and
hold the loop and the bend of the hook together with thumb and
forefinger, it leaves your other hand free to lash the loose end
around the shank, just make sure there's a bit of tension on the line
leading to the reel.


HTH

"Phil L" wrote in message
news:eITcc.4758$lh3.45579367@news- Spades are better than eyed because they
hang better from the line,
eyed ones always seem to be at a weird angle from the end of the line.
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I normally bend the eye back and treat it as a spade, (dont thread the line
through it) then tye the hook on as I would a spade. they hang straight
that way.

In article , Alex
wrote:

"Phil L" wrote in message
news:eITcc.4758$lh3.45579367@news- Spades are better than eyed because they
hang better from the line,
eyed ones always seem to be at a weird angle from the end of the line.
--------------------------------------------
I normally bend the eye back and treat it as a spade, (dont thread the line
through it) then tye the hook on as I would a spade. they hang straight
that way.

I thread through and then tie as a spade. Each to their own.

Cheerio,

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In article , Tench Ninja
wrote:
So folks

What are the benifits in the different hook types. ie. Spade end v's Eyed.

Pretty much of a muchness. Spades make for a neater knot (but you can use
the same knot on an eyed hook if you like) and eyed hooks are easier to tie
in the dark or with very cold hands..

Worms are damaged less by a spade and big paste/bread baits stay better on
an eye.

I'm tying a tucked Half Blood Knot on my eyed hooks and the spade end knot
as per this site
http://www.floatsgone.btinternet.co....adeendknot.htm
It doesnt specify how many times that you have to go around the hook, I have
tried between 5 and 10 with the knot becoming less secure the more turns
there are....

Sounds like you are using a relatively thick, springy line. Try something
thinner. I tend to tie spades the other way up btw - whipping away from the
spade but the knot shown should be secure as long as you control it well
when tightening it.

I personally have found the tucked half blood both easier to tie and more
secure. One out of every three of my spade knots just slips off of the top
of the hook..

So are there any benifits to either hook type, or are there different knots
that I should be trying, or am I doing it way wrong.

Find something that suits you and stick with if for a while. It really
doesn't make all that much difference. Come back and try again when you
feel ready.

Cheerio,

--

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Tench Ninja
wrote:



eyed hooks are easier to tie
in the dark or with very cold hands..
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I will admit that for anything below (10) I tend to use the ready tied.
Joined onto the main line with a loop, like a fly leader.

:Sounds like you are using a relatively thick, springy line. Try something
:thinner. I tend to tie spades the other way up btw - whipping away from
the
:spade but the knot shown should be secure as long as you control it well
:when tightening it.


I was using 5lb Maxima chameleon Mono (which is 0.20mm dia), was only for
practice while I was learning the knot.
I'm now getting on fairly well with 3lb of same. which is 0.15mm dia.

I'm also using a little knot tying tool I picked up today called a
haakaanbinder made by a company called Albatros
link: http://www.visserslatijn.nl/techniek...matchman.shtml
This makes it much easier and quicker to get the knot done.


The whole whipping away from the spade is confusing me..
Does it provide a more secure knot?
And is it simply a matter of starting the knot as normal, but start the
whipping at the spade and work down the shank from there, resulting in the
line doubled under the whipping.. If you get me?

Thanks for all the feedback so far folks.
/T Ninja (AKA Daniel)

In article , Tench Ninja
wrote:
:Sounds like you are using a relatively thick, springy line. Try something

I was using 5lb Maxima chameleon Mono (which is 0.20mm dia), was only for
practice while I was learning the knot.
I'm now getting on fairly well with 3lb of same. which is 0.15mm dia.

OK

The whole whipping away from the spade is confusing me..
Does it provide a more secure knot?

Er, dunno. If it's not secure add another turn.

And is it simply a matter of starting the knot as normal, but start the
whipping at the spade and work down the shank from there, resulting in the
line doubled under the whipping.. If you get me?

More or less, take the extra loop round the shank if you want to anchor it.
As long as all the strands lie together the knot has to expand to draw -
which it can't if the whip is tight.

Cheerio,

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Thanks very much all...
Answered all my queries.

use a drennan hook tier, so simple
"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Tench Ninja
wrote:
So folks

What are the benifits in the different hook types. ie. Spade end v's
Eyed.

Pretty much of a muchness. Spades make for a neater knot (but you can use
the same knot on an eyed hook if you like) and eyed hooks are easier to
tie
in the dark or with very cold hands..

Worms are damaged less by a spade and big paste/bread baits stay better on
an eye.

I'm tying a tucked Half Blood Knot on my eyed hooks and the spade end
knot
as per this site
http://www.floatsgone.btinternet.co....adeendknot.htm
It doesnt specify how many times that you have to go around the hook, I
have
tried between 5 and 10 with the knot becoming less secure the more turns
there are....

Sounds like you are using a relatively thick, springy line. Try something
thinner. I tend to tie spades the other way up btw - whipping away from
the
spade but the knot shown should be secure as long as you control it well
when tightening it.

I personally have found the tucked half blood both easier to tie and
more
secure. One out of every three of my spade knots just slips off of the
top
of the hook..

So are there any benifits to either hook type, or are there different
knots
that I should be trying, or am I doing it way wrong.

Find something that suits you and stick with if for a while. It really
doesn't make all that much difference. Come back and try again when you
feel ready.

Cheerio,

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