Sheppey in Kent

New carp fishing lakes springing up everywhere lately!!

Is this "easy money" for land owners?

Large garden + JCB = Loads a money!

Well it certainly looks that way around here at up to £12 a day,
gARY

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In article , gARY
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New carp fishing lakes springing up everywhere lately!!

Is this "easy money" for land owners?

Large garden + JCB = Loads a money!

Well it certainly looks that way around here at up to £12 a day,

Not if it's done that way.

Any newly flooded land (ie. damming, not digging) will grow fish well for a
few years and, oddly, newly drained lakebeds will grow organic crops well
for a while - until the weeds build up. In the rare places where such a
rotation would be possible it *might* be considered relatively easy money.

Holes in the ground filled with water are not productive and so require
either a lot of management or a or a wait of several years before they can
sustain a reasonable fish population.

To be worth paying £12 a day the water would need to be a bit special.
Which means work or extraordinary luck.

To pay for a manager/baliff, minimal outside input and amortise the original
costs you'd need 1500-2000 people to pay that rate per year.

With the seasonal and weekend/weekday imbalances you'll need room for at
least two dozen anglers to have £12 worth of 'a bit special' fishing at a
time. It has to be worth the £12 or they won't come back. Repeat visitors
are essential or your customer base dwindles as your advertising costs rise.

Round here we had a rash of instant fisheries a few years ago.
Unsurprisingly many of them have dissappeared - at least two have been filled
in and one I know of was built over. A couple survive and make some sort of
return to the owner, some just potter along or go into club/syndicate hands
and a few are virtually derelict - which imo makes them potentially more
interesting fisheries - but not at £12.

The more successful ones are attached to some other enterprise - for eg part
of a caravan/leisure complex. Here the fishery itself doesn't necessarily
make the money but encourages a few more visiting families who will pay
chalet-rent, use the restuarant, shop, amusement arcade, beauty parlour,
health club and generally wilt the credit card whilst dad fishes.

Easy money? Sorry, no.

Cheerio,

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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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In article , gARY
URL:mailto:Find-Contact-page@WebSite wrote:
New carp fishing lakes springing up everywhere lately!!

Is this "easy money" for land owners?

Large garden + JCB = Loads a money!

Well it certainly looks that way around here at up to £12 a day,

Not if it's done that way.

Any newly flooded land (ie. damming, not digging) will grow fish well for
a
few years and, oddly, newly drained lakebeds will grow organic crops well
for a while - until the weeds build up. In the rare places where such a
rotation would be possible it *might* be considered relatively easy money.

Holes in the ground filled with water are not productive and so require
either a lot of management or a or a wait of several years before they can
sustain a reasonable fish population.

To be worth paying £12 a day the water would need to be a bit special.
Which means work or extraordinary luck.

To pay for a manager/baliff, minimal outside input and amortise the
original
costs you'd need 1500-2000 people to pay that rate per year.

With the seasonal and weekend/weekday imbalances you'll need room for at
least two dozen anglers to have £12 worth of 'a bit special' fishing at a
time. It has to be worth the £12 or they won't come back. Repeat
visitors
are essential or your customer base dwindles as your advertising costs
rise.

Round here we had a rash of instant fisheries a few years ago.
Unsurprisingly many of them have dissappeared - at least two have been
filled
in and one I know of was built over. A couple survive and make some sort
of
return to the owner, some just potter along or go into club/syndicate
hands
and a few are virtually derelict - which imo makes them potentially more
interesting fisheries - but not at £12.

The more successful ones are attached to some other enterprise - for eg
part
of a caravan/leisure complex. Here the fishery itself doesn't necessarily
make the money but encourages a few more visiting families who will pay
chalet-rent, use the restuarant, shop, amusement arcade, beauty parlour,
health club and generally wilt the credit card whilst dad fishes.

Easy money? Sorry, no.

Cheerio,

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Sorry, Derek, that's not the picture at at least two local fisheries. One
farmer is now making his living out of a very productive and popular
fishery, he digs out more land each year, the lake is increasingly popular
as a result. He openly says he makes more from the fishery than from the
fruit farming and I can believe it: at weekends and during school holidays
it is packed. £5 one rod, £7 two rods. My son caught 20 carp one evening
from 2 to 11 pounds. Not monsters but good fun.

In article , roddytoo
wrote:

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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To be worth paying £12 a day the water would need to be a bit special.
Which means work or extraordinary luck.

To pay for a manager/baliff, minimal outside input and amortise the
original
costs you'd need 1500-2000 people to pay that rate per year.

Easy money? Sorry, no.

Sorry, Derek, that's not the picture at at least two local fisheries. One
farmer is now making his living out of a very productive and popular
fishery, he digs out more land each year, the lake is increasingly popular
as a result. He openly says he makes more from the fishery than from the
fruit farming and I can believe it: at weekends and during school holidays
it is packed. £5 one rod, £7 two rods. My son caught 20 carp one evening
from 2 to 11 pounds. Not monsters but good fun.

He probably does - tree fruit growing is now completely uneconomic in the UK
as the supermarkets buyers won't pay enough for pickers even at minimum
wages. Instead they buy in from places where wages are not controlled.
Many fruit growers are planning to rip out their trees this year :-(
(The EU CAP changes mean that if it is not done this year the land will
never be elegible for any payment in the future and so any crop on it will
effectively lose £35/acre before it is even planted.)

The farmer has his own machinery and it sounds like he is doing his own
management - he may be making a reasonable wage for himself but I doubt it
would look so good if he had to pay for a manager/baliff and try to live on
just the remaining profits.

I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that it wasn't easy. If you're
willing to flog your guts out and re-invest heavily then, with a bit of
luck, you can build a business. Don't expect to retire early on it though...

Cheerio,

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Derek.Moody wrote:

SNIP
: He probably does - tree fruit growing is now completely uneconomic
in
: the UK as the supermarkets buyers won't pay enough for pickers even
: at minimum wages. Instead they buy in from places where wages are
: not controlled.
: Many fruit growers are planning to rip out their trees this year :-(
: (The EU CAP changes mean that if it is not done this year the land
: will never be elegible for any payment in the future and so any crop
: on it will effectively lose £35/acre before it is even planted.)
:
: The farmer has his own machinery and it sounds like he is doing his
: own management - he may be making a reasonable wage for himself but
I
: doubt it would look so good if he had to pay for a manager/baliff
and
: try to live on just the remaining profits.
:
: I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that it wasn't easy. If
you're
: willing to flog your guts out and re-invest heavily then, with a bit
: of luck, you can build a business. Don't expect to retire early on
: it though...
:
: Cheerio,

I think a lot of it depends upon the land in question, where I live
there are no commercial fisheries* but there are crops growing
everywhere.
Forty miles North of here it's all pasture land and dairy herds but
litteraly dozens of good quality fisheries - almost every farmer has
dug a pit or two and cashed in on his good fortune - the land is
almost all clay making it useless for crops but perfect for pasture
(and fisheries!) but if he had to give up the income from EU
subsidised grain it'd be a different thing altogether.......further
North still there are none again as the land is scrub - just a few
inches of soil over solid granite which sustains mosses and heathers
and the millions of sheep but little else -Geography is everything!

*We do have a few day ticket waters but they aren't on farmland - they
tend to be old lakes which are managed by an AS and day tickets are
available.

In article , Phil L
wrote:

big snip

Forty miles North of here it's all pasture land and dairy herds but
litteraly dozens of good quality fisheries - almost every farmer has
dug a pit or two and cashed in on his good fortune - the land is

Dairy is going to take a big hit. A lot of herds will go in the next two
years, Scotland and Wales will be less affected but in England it'll be
*big* units or none at all.

almost all clay making it useless for crops but perfect for pasture

Clay can grow good crops, there must be another reason.

(and fisheries!) but if he had to give up the income from EU
subsidised grain it'd be a different thing altogether.......further

There is no longer any subsidy on grain. It's sfp nowadays, thats why the
orchards are going, they don't qualify.

North still there are none again as the land is scrub - just a few
inches of soil over solid granite which sustains mosses and heathers
and the millions of sheep but little else -Geography is everything!

*We do have a few day ticket waters but they aren't on farmland - they
tend to be old lakes which are managed by an AS and day tickets are
available.

Farms near cities will be scrambling to diversify due to CAP changes, some
will go into fisheries but there is a good chance there will be oversupply
and many will just go bust a little bit slower. With the rules about
muckspreading being tightened (also a big problem for dairy farmers, many of
whom will have to store up to six months worth of slurry overwinter) this
may be a good time for clubs to firm up river rental agreements. In effect
a great many farmers will be forced either to invest heavily - with an
uncertain future, or to retire (Many are over 50 in any case, few farmer's
sons are willing to take on the business.) In the current low interest
regime a long-term water rental deal could look very attractive to an older
farmer.

Cheerio,

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