Substitutes for calftail on Trudes?

Howdy,

In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of
July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From
what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for
that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going
through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got
to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to
fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and
retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the
CDC might add a bit of extra appeal.

I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations
(http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...y_Code=cdc_elk)
and was thinking about other variations. Any suggestions for other
color schemes that have been succesful for you?


Chuck Vance

HIYA

Bucktail also works on trudes


Lou


"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Howdy,

In preparation for my trip to the Crowsnest at the end of
July/beginning of August, I've been stocking up the flyboxes. From
what I've read, the Lime Trude is aa excellent all-purpose fly for
that time of year, so yesterday I started tying some. In going
through my materials, I ran across some white CDC oiler puffs, and got
to thinking about how they might work as a wing on a Trude. I tend to
fish a Trude as a combination dry/wet by letting it swing and
retrieving it like a streamer after the drift, and it seems like the
CDC might add a bit of extra appeal.

I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that? Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations

(http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...Product_Code=c
dc_elk100&Category_Code=cdc_elk)
and was thinking about other variations. Any suggestions for other
color schemes that have been succesful for you?


Chuck Vance

(Conan The Librarian) wrote in
om:

Howdy,

Aaaah, yeah, G'day ...

[trudey snip]
I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some slack
the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.


So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that?

Yes.

;-)

Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Frequently? I wouldn't say frequently...
Gomez Adams: Black Calftail wings
Black Prince: Prince Nymph with black dyed peacock herl
Dr Wark: Tinsel Body instead of thread

Red Tag: clipped deer hair body instead of herl.
foam tag (instead of wool) and underbody

Actually some of the Mountain stream fishos might like the Blow Fly
Humpy - Black Humpy with a blue tinsel body -
http://www.flyfishingnz.co.nz/images/flies%20012.jpg


Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations
Any suggestions for other color schemes that have been
succesful for you?


Don't forget you can swing the CDC & E. Variations:
All white for a specific caddis species. Hot orange butts on tan and
natural dun coloured flys for searchers.
Untested green butt models look the goods as well.

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be
worth a try.


Steve (who just had an idea)

snip

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be
worth a try.


Steve (who just had an idea)


Not sure if it what you had in mind Steve, but after your earlier rant about
snowshoe feet, I tied up a "snowshoe caddis" version of the CDC Loopwing
caddis (which is more or less an EHC without the palmered hackle and with
CDC rather than deer hair from what I can see), using a snowshoe wing rather
than CDC. I added a little folded feather overwing and a dubbed showshoe
head. Very simple tie and the fly floated a treat and caught fish after fish
without having to be dried - unlike CDC. Useful things these rabbits feet. I
will be interested to see if someone has idears for dyeing it. I was
interested in trying this myself but I worry a bit about boiling the feet
seems more like soup making than dyeing.

Vaughan

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in news:cbr8so$en9$1
@hudsucker.umdac.umu.se:

I was
interested in trying this myself but I worry a bit about boiling the feet
seems more like soup making than dyeing.


Mmmm ... you could be right ...it could get messy. The heat causes other
(rabbit/deer) skin to "shrink" if you don't peg it out somehow. A
temperate to cold dye would be better.


Steve

Stephen Welsh wrote in message .1.4...

[little snip]

The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some slack
the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.

Hmmmm ... interesting as in the fishies seem to like it? :-)

So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that?

Yes.

;-)

Just as I suspected. :-)

[snip of various substitution suggestions]

Actually some of the Mountain stream fishos might like the Blow Fly
Humpy - Black Humpy with a blue tinsel body -
http://www.flyfishingnz.co.nz/images/flies%20012.jpg

Thanks for your suggestions. I remember seeing the blow fly
before. It looks just gaudy enough to work.

Don't forget you can swing the CDC & E. Variations:
All white for a specific caddis species. Hot orange butts on tan and
natural dun coloured flys for searchers.
Untested green butt models look the goods as well.

Thanks again for the ideas. I was playing around yesterday and
tied up a cripple variation that looks interesting. Stole the idea
from a Bruce Salzburg pattern that I ran across
(http://www.danica.com/flytier/bsalzb...led_cdcelk.htm). I
added an Antron shuck and tied up a couple with olive CDC and some of
the comparadun hair that Blue Ribbon Flies sells (which is really
beautiful stuff, BTW).

I also tied up some more CDC & Elk in cinnamon, brown and dun.
Some I tied up with a bleached elk wing, and some with the comparadun
hair.

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be
worth a try.

Excellent. I've got a couple of feet but haven't yet incorporated
them into any patterns. I'll definitely give that a try.

Thanks, mate. :-)


Chuck Vance

(Conan The Librarian) wrote in
om:

Stephen Welsh wrote in message
.1.4...

The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the
windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some
slack the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.

Hmmmm ... interesting as in the fishies seem to like it? :-)

I should qualify what I wrote a little: If there is enough CDC in the
wing to cause the fly to pop back to the surface, yes then the fish find
it interesting. Looks emergerish I suppose. Another way of inducing a
take similar to allowing a nymph to sink then raising it in the column
in front of the fish.

It works really well at times and others less so. I suspect the CDC
adds a significant amount to the bulk of the fly making it appear
oversize. Fishing smaller than you would normally could be the answer,
but I haven't tried this smaller option often enough yet to be confident
that it makes a difference. It is also highly possible even likely I'm
misreading the situation!! ?-I


Thanks for your suggestions. I remember seeing the blow fly
before. It looks just gaudy enough to work.

It does! and there's already a variation using blue floss (use one that
doesn't darken when wet) instead of tinsel for the body. ;-)

[snip]

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might
be worth a try.

Excellent. I've got a couple of feet but haven't yet incorporated
them into any patterns. I'll definitely give that a try.

If you haven't already got them, make sure you google back for Tom
Littleton's hints/tips on using it. He shares some great ideas.



Thanks, mate. :-)

no worries, cobber.

Steve

Stephen Welsh wrote in message .1.4...

[snip of more good advice on CDC, etc.]

If you haven't already got them, make sure you google back for Tom
Littleton's hints/tips on using it. He shares some great ideas.

Funny you should mention that. I went back and re-read some of the
snpwshoe hare threads yesterday afternoon. I wound up tying up a few
Usuals last night, some with orange thread and some with tan/cream.
The tip on putting the stuff in a blender really seemed to work well.
I was wondering how the heck I was gonna make a wing from the stuff,
but it held together really nicely, and wasn't hard to stand up
properly.

And the flies almost have a glow about them, particularly when
backlit. I can't wait to give them a try, and I think I'll tie up
some emergers with them. I now see what all the fuss was about.

Thanks again for your help.


Chuck Vance

This year Umpqua will introduce the "Green Bottle Humpy" as well to it's New
Zealand range. Another handsome fly and it catches fish in areas (talking NZ
backcountry here) where the blue bottle version has been seen by too many
trout.

Tie some for yourself, they are deadly!
--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier


"Stephen Welsh" wrote in message
. 1.4...
(Conan The Librarian) wrote in
om:

Howdy,

Aaaah, yeah, G'day ...

[trudey snip]
I tied some up with the CDC, and in the vise they look very nice.
I know that the only way to know for sure is to ty them, but I was
just curious if any ROFFians or ROFFTians have played around with
substituting CDC like this. I was also thinking that the "hi-viz"
stuff might make a nice wing on Trudes.

The CDC will give your flies some bounce, if theres CDC in the windg
and you drag the fly under via line manipulation then throw some slack
the fly will pop back to the surface. Can be an interesting.


So am I just getting carried away with my "improvements", or is
there some legitimacy to making a sub like that?

Yes.

;-)

Any other subs that
you frequently make to traditional flies?

Frequently? I wouldn't say frequently...
Gomez Adams: Black Calftail wings
Black Prince: Prince Nymph with black dyed peacock herl
Dr Wark: Tinsel Body instead of thread

Red Tag: clipped deer hair body instead of herl.
foam tag (instead of wool) and underbody

Actually some of the Mountain stream fishos might like the Blow Fly
Humpy - Black Humpy with a blue tinsel body -
http://www.flyfishingnz.co.nz/images/flies%20012.jpg


Also, I tied up a few of the CDC and elk caddis imitations
Any suggestions for other color schemes that have been
succesful for you?


Don't forget you can swing the CDC & E. Variations:
All white for a specific caddis species. Hot orange butts on tan and
natural dun coloured flys for searchers.
Untested green butt models look the goods as well.

Replacing the deer wing with snowshoe rabbit on a few patterns might be
worth a try.


Steve (who just had an idea)

"Clark Reid" wrote in
:

This year Umpqua will introduce the "Green Bottle Humpy" as well to
it's New Zealand range. Another handsome fly and it catches fish in
areas (talking NZ backcountry here) where the blue bottle version has
been seen by too many trout.


If this keeps up we'll be back around to the Wickhams Humpy in no time.

;-)


Steve