Protoype 90' DT Spey Line

We have a local fly line manufacturer who is willing to knock off a
prototype DT-9-F 90 foot line with a 15' front taper. He will be
sending this line to me in a few days I'll probably have it on the
water in a week or two.

The line is AFTMA rated so it should be a good fit for 7 wt.
two-handers. The intent of the line is to produce a good line for
lighter rods that operates well in the 70' and under fishing
distances. If this works out, the next step would be to get some
fullsinkers and maybe some sinktips done as well. This line should be
an excellent fit for anyone with a Sage 7136, CND Custom 1307, Loop
7116, Kispiox 7/8 and other rods in this class. The concept should
work great in lighter line classes for trout speys.

If anyone is interested in trying the line and providing feedback,
email me your snailmail - first come, first serve.

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Airflow used to make one. Well sort of. One end had a 5' long runging
line instead of a short piece of level line. If you cut of 4' of the the
running line, you had a double taper. they quit selling it becasue of a
lack of interest.
"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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We have a local fly line manufacturer who is willing to knock off a
prototype DT-9-F 90 foot line with a 15' front taper. He will be
sending this line to me in a few days I'll probably have it on the
water in a week or two.

The line is AFTMA rated so it should be a good fit for 7 wt.
two-handers. The intent of the line is to produce a good line for
lighter rods that operates well in the 70' and under fishing
distances. If this works out, the next step would be to get some
fullsinkers and maybe some sinktips done as well. This line should be
an excellent fit for anyone with a Sage 7136, CND Custom 1307, Loop
7116, Kispiox 7/8 and other rods in this class. The concept should
work great in lighter line classes for trout speys.

If anyone is interested in trying the line and providing feedback,
email me your snailmail - first come, first serve.

(turn MAILHOT into HOTMAIL)

Peter

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"jackk" wrote in message
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Airflow used to make one. Well sort of. One end had a 5' long runging
line instead of a short piece of level line. If you cut of 4' of the the
running line, you had a double taper. they quit selling it becasue of a
lack of interest.

Airflop has made, or at least sold, lots of things, these should on no
account be confused with anything sensible, or anything that actually
worked.

TL
MC

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:47:38 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"jackk" wrote in message
...
Airflow used to make one. Well sort of. One end had a 5' long runging
line instead of a short piece of level line. If you cut of 4' of the the
running line, you had a double taper. they quit selling it becasue of a
lack of interest.

Airflop has made, or at least sold, lots of things, these should on no
account be confused with anything sensible, or anything that actually
worked.

TL
MC


I know that in the UK there are a lot of people who can't stand Airflo
yet their spey lines are highly rated on this side of the pond.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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SNIP
I know that in the UK there are a lot of people who can't stand Airflo
yet their spey lines are highly rated on this side of the pond.


Must have been an accident, or somebody else is responsible in the USA

Some of the worst gear I have ever used, seen ,or heard of. Coupled with
extremely aggressive and often quite incredible marketing.

Quite apart from airflop, I think "marketing" is a major curse for modern
anglers. Almost impossible to find the truth in the thicket of
exaggerations, lies, and similar nonsense. Of course it is no better in
other areas, but it somehow seems worse in the angling area.

TL
MC

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:40:32 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .
SNIP
I know that in the UK there are a lot of people who can't stand Airflo
yet their spey lines are highly rated on this side of the pond.


Must have been an accident, or somebody else is responsible in the USA

Some of the worst gear I have ever used, seen ,or heard of. Coupled with
extremely aggressive and often quite incredible marketing.

Quite apart from airflop, I think "marketing" is a major curse for modern
anglers. Almost impossible to find the truth in the thicket of
exaggerations, lies, and similar nonsense. Of course it is no better in
other areas, but it somehow seems worse in the angling area.

TL
MC

I do know that their old trout stuff was crap but I have a trout Delta
and I love it. I probably own some thing like four spey lines, one
trout, a running line or two, one or two sal****er, plus 12 or so
shooting heads and not a problem in the bunch.

Peter

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:40:32 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .
SNIP
I know that in the UK there are a lot of people who can't stand Airflo
yet their spey lines are highly rated on this side of the pond.


Must have been an accident, or somebody else is responsible in the USA

Some of the worst gear I have ever used, seen ,or heard of. Coupled with
extremely aggressive and often quite incredible marketing.

Quite apart from airflop, I think "marketing" is a major curse for modern
anglers. Almost impossible to find the truth in the thicket of
exaggerations, lies, and similar nonsense. Of course it is no better in
other areas, but it somehow seems worse in the angling area.

TL
MC

Oh ya, about marketing -- while I like Sage single handers, I think
their two-handers are grossly over-rated. One of the worst is the
9140-4 which is just a gutless, wobbly, noodle. Just read recently
where some PNW guide rates the 9140-4 as the best "spey" rod ever. I
love handing one of my "cheap" Daiwa Lochmors to a Sage snob for a
couple of casts then watch their "deer-in-the-headlights" look.
Flabergasted is about the right description for them. The Scots have
been building salmon rods longer than any PNW angler has been alive --
I think they know a thing or two about making them.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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SNIP
Flabergasted is about the right description for them. The Scots have
been building salmon rods longer than any PNW angler has been alive --
I think they know a thing or two about making them.

Peter

Doubtless you are right. I have a few double handers, but have not used them
much, and I am still a lousy Spey caster. I favour the Scandinavian
underhand cast, which I am a great deal better at! I can´t really comment on
Spey rods at all.

Sage do make some of the best single handed rods available though. I have a
couple and they really are first class.

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

Must have been an accident, or somebody else is responsible in the
USA

Some of the worst gear I have ever used, seen ,or heard of. Coupled
with
extremely aggressive and often quite incredible marketing.


Just curious but there is a reason for asking. Is this based on
experience with Airflo before or after 1996?

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:37:16 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .
SNIP
Flabergasted is about the right description for them. The Scots have
been building salmon rods longer than any PNW angler has been alive --
I think they know a thing or two about making them.

Peter

Doubtless you are right. I have a few double handers, but have not used them
much, and I am still a lousy Spey caster. I favour the Scandinavian
underhand cast, which I am a great deal better at! I can´t really comment on
Spey rods at all.

Sage do make some of the best single handed rods available though. I have a
couple and they really are first class.

TL
MC


I like their single-handers also, just wish they'd expand their
two-hand design horizons beyond the uses of PNW anglers. They flog
their soft rods as being "Traditional" as if these rods draw their
design influence from traditional Scottish salmon rods. It's all
bull****. They're designed to cast (flop? whip?) 40' shooting heads
and T-14 tips about 70' in the Skagit river. Unfortunately, a lot of
Sage buyers think they're getting a rod that performs like B&W or a
Hardy. What a laugh. Their so-called "Euro" rods are supposed to be
like Scandinavian underhand rods but they're just stifff sticks that
you have to flog to get to work. We should put a collection together
to buy a Loop Green or a Vision rod, and send it to Sage so they can
find out how a real Scandinavian rod casts.

So far I've casted their 6126, 7136 (all three models), 8124, 8136,
9140-4, 9141, 10161 plus one or two others that I've mercifully
forgotten. The 6126 is nice but really a 7 wt. The latest 8136 isn't
bad and the newest 7136 is decent -- but both are overpriced for the
performance. The older 7136s and the rest were just crappy. The
10161 I literally could not cast. It is the only two-hander I've ever
picked up that I couldn't do anything with. In contrast, I own an
ancient Daiwa 16' - 10-12 wt. that I use to lift and cast the entire
90' head of an 8/9 XLT -- so it ain't the size or the weight of the
Sage that did me in.

BTW, I use the Underhand cast too, as well as grafting the Underhand
power stroke on to all of my other casts -- a great shoulder saver.

Peter

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