my first fly

today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks, but I'm proud
I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read
anything about fly realizing yet, so please don't kill me

the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down
too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically.
I would stop during the flipping action sometimes and during these stops
I'd like it goes down to the bottom as a natural insect (I really don't
know how a natural insect sinks).
any suggestion?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
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today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks.
Otherwise......

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Wolfgang

On 7/28/05 12:21 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
today I realized my first fly
http://snipurl.com/firstfly

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks.
Otherwise......

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Hey, it worked for Datus Proper!

B

Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it
sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it
sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness, the only way to know whether or not a fly will be
effective is to try it. The fact that your creation nosedives shouldn't
cause you any concern unless you're looking for a particular action for a
specific situation. Many very effective flies are designed to do exactly
what yours does.....an up and down darting movement is characteristic of
lots of bait fish and other piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an
actual fishing situation.....it might surprise you.

Good luck.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah,
it sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness

infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive
answer if it works or not

The fact that your creation nosedives
shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a
particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective
flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down
darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other
piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing
situation.....it might surprise you.
Good luck.

thanks a lot.
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

--
ciao
Vittorix

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

I know It sucks...

Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah,
it sucks. Otherwise......

no, it's just a my fantasy creation

any suggestion?

Ask the fish.

Great!

In all seriousness

infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive
answer if it works or not

The fact that your creation nosedives
shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a
particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective
flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down
darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other
piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing
situation.....it might surprise you.
Good luck.

thanks a lot.
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

--
ciao
Vittorix

As I mentioned in another group, I am not a fly fisherman. I do own a few
fly rods. (cheap ones) They work. I am sure that a dedicated fly angler
can give you reasons why a very expensive fly rod is ideal for different
circumstances. I can tell you exactly why I like certain spinning or
casting rods for particular applications. I can also catch fish on a snoopy
rod.

I think if you become a dedicated hard corps fly angler you to will desire
to own some very high end equipment, but... all that being said, you will
find that there is some very fishable mid price stuff out there. I think
you might be better served by determining what fish you are likely to catch
in the area you wish to fly fish and what rod power, length, and action
would best suit those applications. Then you can look for a rod you can
afford that fits that application.

It might sound like I am saying a cheap rod is as good as an expensive one.
I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that if you know or take the
time to learn what characteristics you need in a rod for your application
you may be able to find one that will do the job adequately for a reasonable
middle of the road price.

In bass fishing (spinning and casting) I can tell you that G.Loomis is
arguably one of the best manufacturers of rods, but I can also tell you that
for a fraction of the price I own a number of Lamiglass and St Croix
(premier line) rods that do a very very good job for what I use them for.

I have one fly rod that cost about $40 dollars that does a fantastic job for
small stream trout in the 8-12" range. Would I use it for hunting trophy
steelhead or Salmon. Not a chance. It isn't suitable for the job. Would a
more expensive rod do a better job. Probably for a better fly angler, but I
doubt I would catch one more fish with it myself. I just don't have those
skills. Would it benefit me if I fly fished primarily and my hands had the
experience to tell the difference. Probably.

So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate priced
fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your application and go
fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing you will eventually want to
upgrade to something better. If not then you will still have had the
experience to relive and enjoy.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

Bob La Londe wrote:

I think if you become a dedicated hard corps fly angler you to will
desire to own some very high end equipment, but... all that being
said, you will find that there is some very fishable mid price stuff
out there. I think you might be better served by determining what
fish you are likely to catch in the area you wish to fly fish and
what rod power, length, and action would best suit those
applications. Then you can look for a rod you can afford that fits
that application.

It might sound like I am saying a cheap rod is as good as an
expensive one. I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that if
you know or take the time to learn what characteristics you need in a
rod for your application you may be able to find one that will do the
job adequately for a reasonable middle of the road price.

I completely agree with you, dear BLB, I other fishing techniques I know
quite well, first things are 1) sense of the water 2) knowing fishes
habits 3) presentation ecc.. and the rod is not that important if you
have all those caracteristics.
but I thought in fly fishing could be more important the rod 'cause you
have to manage for hours up your head and maibe a mediocre rod won't
cast so far as a good one.
I wait an expert fly fisherman answer for this question.

In bass fishing (spinning and casting) I can tell you that G.Loomis is
arguably one of the best manufacturers of rods, but I can also tell
you that for a fraction of the price I own a number of Lamiglass and
St Croix (premier line) rods that do a very very good job for what I
use them for.

I know Gloomis and St. Croux but I don't find so much difference in
using chosen Abu Barcia, Shakespeare and Shimano rod for bass fishing
with success.

So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate
priced fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your
application and go fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing
you will eventually want to upgrade to something better.

I know myself and I'll love fly fishing. I didn't 'til now for some
reasons (costs and places where I'm from).
there is a problem somebody says about starting with economic stuff in
fly fishing: maybe I could learn some defect in casting technique that
should be hard to remove later.
I don't know

--
ciao
Vittorix

Vittorix wrote:

I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge
argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right?
fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll
appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and
when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod.
they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find
differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should
start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one?

Ciao, Vittorix. $600 US is a lot to pay for a first fly rod. There are
some good rods that are not too expensive, but without knowing the brand
and model you're thinking about, it's hard to give advice.

Look here

http://www.pipam.com/pipam/MERCATINO/#Vendo

to see if you can find a nice inexpensive used rod and reel. (If it's
primarily for trout fishing there in Italy, look for a medium-fast action
rod, 8.5 or 9 foot, 4 or 5 weight.)

Buona fortuna......

JR

"Vittorix" wrote in message
...

I completely agree with you, dear BLB,

Oh, please its rude to abbreviate when not everybody will know what it
means. LOL.

I know Gloomis and St. Croux but I don't find so much difference in
using chosen Abu Barcia, Shakespeare and Shimano rod for bass fishing
with success.

True, but I bass fish (spinning and casting) very seriously, and I can tell
a lot of differences. For instance. I like to pitch light baits which is a
very arm, wrist, and elbow intensive activity. Something as simple as a few
grams difference in weight or balance can mean the difference after an 8+
hour tournament between having an arm like a wet knoodle and and being able
to go back out on the water the next day and do it again. If I didn't have
the expereince and didn't hammer it for hours on end I would not be able to
tell the difference, and on any given cast I doubt it makes any difference
in my catch rate. Over the course of a day it can make a huge differnce in
my arm, number of cast, accuracy as the day wears on, etc...


So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate
priced fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your
application and go fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing
you will eventually want to upgrade to something better.

I know myself and I'll love fly fishing.

That is good. Abit premature IMO since you say you are brand new to it, but
its always good to have a clear definition of your passions.

I didn't 'til now for some
reasons (costs and places where I'm from).
there is a problem somebody says about starting with economic stuff in
fly fishing: maybe I could learn some defect in casting technique that
should be hard to remove later.

I had not thought of that, but unless you get really crappy junk I don't
think so. If you really believe that is a possibility you might instead
spring for the cash for a fly fishing clinic to teach you the basics.
Personally I think more bad habits are likely to arise from being self
taught than from medium vs high price equipment. At the very least go out
and purchase some fly fishing videos so you can see what it looks like when
and experienced fly angler does it right.


I don't know

Fair enough.

P.S. I thought you said you weren't going to respond to any more of my
posts LOL.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com