Level-wind?

In article , Clint Sharp
wrote:
In message , Derek.Moody
writes
In article , Clint Sharp
wrote:

Depends how long the barbeque has left to burn. Fastest time from sea to
plate was just a tad under 10 mins which I don't think you could achieve
if you are 'playing' the fish with light tackle.

Why is the unhooking, killing, gutting and dropping onto BBQ process faster
if the fish is lifted from the water on a 50lb feather snood rather than a
6lb bs straight through freeline?

Cheerio,

Because you're not playing the fish for five minutes before you lift it,
I suppose I should have said from strike to plate really. It also helps
if you have a fully occupied 6 hook set of feathers if you're feeding
several people which I think you would have difficulty retrieving on the
rig you mention.

I see.

If I ever want to feed a horde on mackerel at short notice I don't rely on
shore fishing.

Cheerio,

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carefully to any more snippets on the pros and cons of multipliers but
why
not use an 11' or 12', 4 - 6oz beachcaster even for quite close-in rocky
shore work?

You can if you like but they're awkward to hold, lousy for playing fish
(designed for casting, not fishing) and vastly overgun most of the fish
you'll meet.

Only true for cheap beachcasters. If you get a decent rod like a Diawa TDXS
or a Zziplex it will throw a lead as far as you are able ( we've covered the
distance isn't everything bit ) and will still detect a pout fart at 100
yds.

I was quite used to handling carp from the margins on a rod
of
that length.

So use the carp rods. Only copy the other beachcasting anglers if and
when
they are catching more and better fish than you.


Don't just do what everyone else is doing, be adventurous, use your
imagination. This isn't life or death we are discussing here, only fishing.
It's a fun sport with many approaches. Try all the approaches and make your
own mind up.


Cheerio,

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ETV

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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In article 432a9049.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
wrote:

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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Some would check the weather forecast and put in brownie points at home
until the storm is dropping and the disturbed bait is dropping out of
the
water column into the gutter...

Some of the best fishing is in stormy weather, not to mention to
exhilaration of your nostrils being force fed sea air at 40 MPH! Or
match

I would never suggest a beginner fished in the teeth of a f8 gale. It's
risky even for experienced anglers especially in NW Scotland.

Ok my mistake, no one sane fishes in a force 8. My point was that there's
good fishing to be had in a bracing wind - conditions that warrant a heavier
approach than float fishing and spinning.

fishing for that matter, if you turn up for a match and it's blowing a
hoolie you will stand a better chance oif winning if you can fish the
conditions. Ok, match fishing isn't everything but it's another aspect
of
fishing that benefits from a wide range of techniques and tools.

No sane organiser would continue in such conditions, there will be some
sort of alternative venue or a postponement.

You're right, they are often turned into 'rovers' if conditions are
dangerous. But you still have more choices if you can deal with an in your
face wind.


The OP actually started the thread by asking a genuine question about
casting distances and hasn't necessarily been mislead into anything. I

It was clear from the question that he had already been misled.

In your opinion.


think its more misleading to summarily dismiss 'heavy fishing' and coax
the

I don't recall dismissing heavy fishing anywhere in this thread. Perhaps
you can remind me where I did so.

"[ Long range beachcasting is a specialist technique that you only need to
consider if you have very flat, featureless beaches and the fish swim at
extreme range. It so happens that there are a few venues like this near
London and home counties journalists naturally write about the conditions
they experience. Most anglers in the west - with a few exceptions in
Lancashire/Cumbria - could fish successfully for a lifetime without even
owning a conventional beachcaster. OK, most do use one sometimes when
fishing is slow or the whiting are running.
]"

I think that's pretty dismissive considering a lot of people adopt this
technique all over the country.

If you predominantly use a fly rod then you are going to catch more fish
on
a fly rod. If you always use a beachcaster then you will always catch
fish
on a beachcaster.

Quite. I bet I have more fun though :-)

I bet you don't ;-p


I have fished matches where I have been stuffed by anglers using coarse
gear
to catch Mullet - I fished for Wrasse with heavy gear and blanked, they
used
match rods and weighed in 7 or 8lbs. I have also fished matches where I
have stuffed people using match gear, they caught no Mullet, I caught a
13lb
Conger. Who was right?

None of you. Matchfishing is another highly specialised regime which is
over reported in the angling press and seriously misleads beginners.

Match fishing can positively encourage beginners. Most clubs are founded on
match fishing. For that matter most clubs I have ever been in have juniors
sections for the youngsters ( beginners ) to compete in.

You
would almost certainly have caught more if you had not entered the match
in
the first place.

How do you come to that conclusion?

On another local beach (Chesil) organisers took to banning floatfishing
with
groundbait for gar and scad because the same two or three anglers were
winning everything.

I have fished these matches on Chesil, personally I think the ban is a
good
thing as often 1st prize would go to 45lbs of Garfish. Thats just
absolute
slaughter. Besides catching garfish after garfish after garfish just
gets
plain boring after an hour or two. I usually fish two rods in these

So now light tackle is to be eschewed because you catch more?

My point was that the ban was probably introduced to stop people killing
several hundreds of pounds of fish that aren't going to get eaten. Not due
to sour grapes between some imaginary "Carp Rod" vs "Beachcaster" divide. My
old club nearly banned dogfish in matches because too many were coming to
the scales in bin bags. I said nothing about avoiding light tackle in fact
if you quoted my whole paragraph you would say that I said I fish both
styles.

My original point was?

Your original point was that distance casting is a specialist technique that
only applies to London and the home counties.

To which I replied "Utter bilge"

Cheerio,

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ETV

In message , Derek.Moody
writes
Because you're not playing the fish for five minutes before you lift it,
I suppose I should have said from strike to plate really. It also helps
if you have a fully occupied 6 hook set of feathers if you're feeding
several people which I think you would have difficulty retrieving on the
rig you mention.

I see.

If I ever want to feed a horde on mackerel at short notice I don't rely on
shore fishing.
A horde would be a different matter, I generally only feed four or five
but the fish is always very popular. Having said that, when I've gone
for mackerel for the barbecue, I've never not caught enough to
generously feed the four or five people who eat the fish and have some
left over.

Cheerio,


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Clint Sharp

In article 432ae6b7.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
wrote:
snip

(designed for casting, not fishing) and vastly overgun most of the fish
you'll meet.

Only true for cheap beachcasters. If you get a decent rod like a Diawa TDXS
or a Zziplex it will throw a lead as far as you are able ( we've covered the
distance isn't everything bit ) and will still detect a pout fart at 100
yds.

So? It means you have to wind in 100 yards to find out whether you
hooked it. Overgunned.

Cheerio,

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In article 432b02ed.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
wrote:

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article 432a9049.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
wrote:

think its more misleading to summarily dismiss 'heavy fishing' and coax
the

I don't recall dismissing heavy fishing anywhere in this thread. Perhaps
you can remind me where I did so.

"[ Long range beachcasting is a specialist technique that you only need to
consider if you have very flat, featureless beaches and the fish swim at
extreme range. It so happens that there are a few venues like this near
London and home counties journalists naturally write about the conditions
they experience. Most anglers in the west - with a few exceptions in
Lancashire/Cumbria - could fish successfully for a lifetime without even
owning a conventional beachcaster. OK, most do use one sometimes when
fishing is slow or the whiting are running.
]"

How does that dismiss 'heavy fishing'? No mention of conger gear there for
eg.

I think that's pretty dismissive considering a lot of people adopt this
technique all over the country.

I agree. It is dismissive. I intended it to be because around most of the
UK coastline it is rarely the most effective technique.

Quite. I bet I have more fun though :-)

I bet you don't ;-p

Three months to panto season :-)

None of you. Matchfishing is another highly specialised regime which is
over reported in the angling press and seriously misleads beginners.

Match fishing can positively encourage beginners. Most clubs are founded on
match fishing. For that matter most clubs I have ever been in have juniors
sections for the youngsters ( beginners ) to compete in.

I made this mistake. I fished matches for several years. The brasso was
getting expensive - I still have some of the miniatures but I hide them
rather than polish them.

You
would almost certainly have caught more if you had not entered the match
in
the first place.

How do you come to that conclusion?

-You- choose the venue, time, and are not constrained by match rules re
bait/technique/duration.

So now light tackle is to be eschewed because you catch more?

My point was that the ban was probably introduced to stop people killing
several hundreds of pounds of fish that aren't going to get eaten. Not due

Because the (no beachcaster) technique is more effective.

My original point was?

Your original point was that distance casting is a specialist technique that
only applies to London and the home counties.

To which I replied "Utter bilge"

IF I had said that you would have been right. You quoted it (above, I left
it in) go re-read it.

Cheerio,

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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article 432ae6b7.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
wrote:
snip

(designed for casting, not fishing) and vastly overgun most of the fish
you'll meet.

Only true for cheap beachcasters. If you get a decent rod like a Diawa
TDXS
or a Zziplex it will throw a lead as far as you are able ( we've covered
the
distance isn't everything bit ) and will still detect a pout fart at 100
yds.

So? It means you have to wind in 100 yards to find out whether you
hooked it. Overgunned.

No, it means that a rod that can cast good distances can still have good
bite detection. Besides a good angler wouldn't strike when the fish farts,
only when it bites ;-)


Cheerio,

--

"[ Long range beachcasting is a specialist technique that you only need
to
consider if you have very flat, featureless beaches and the fish swim
at
extreme range. It so happens that there are a few venues like this
near
London and home counties journalists naturally write about the
conditions
they experience. Most anglers in the west - with a few exceptions in
Lancashire/Cumbria - could fish successfully for a lifetime without
even
owning a conventional beachcaster. OK, most do use one sometimes when
fishing is slow or the whiting are running.
]"

How does that dismiss 'heavy fishing'? No mention of conger gear there
for
eg.

You called your style light fishing, the opposite would be heavy.

I think that's pretty dismissive considering a lot of people adopt this
technique all over the country.

I agree. It is dismissive. I intended it to be because around most of
the
UK coastline it is rarely the most effective technique.

Quite. I bet I have more fun though :-)

I bet you don't ;-p

Three months to panto season :-)

Oh no it isn't ;-)

snip

My point was that the ban was probably introduced to stop people killing
several hundreds of pounds of fish that aren't going to get eaten. Not
due

Because the (no beachcaster) technique is more effective.

....at catching garfish.

My original point was?

Your original point was that distance casting is a specialist technique
that
only applies to London and the home counties.

To which I replied "Utter bilge"

IF I had said that you would have been right. You quoted it (above, I
left
it in) go re-read it.

My apologies for the mis-interpretation ("only applies to London and the
home counties") of your quote.

However I still think the definition of 'right' is to keep an open mind to
all the techniques available, even specialist techinques such as float
fishing, spinning, fly fishing and plugging ;-)

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