SMALL LAKE FISHING SAGA

in article , Lionel F. Stevenson at
wrote on 10/21/05 11:53 AM:

I'm currently fishing in a small lake, about 1/4 mile diameter,(the trout
season is over in the streams & rivers.). It has 3 springs that feed it, I'm
told, and it is 35 ft. deep somewhere in the middle, I've found it not
deeper than 20 feet). I haven't found any inlet or outlet yet.

It was stocked with 4800 rainbow trout in the fall of 2004. I've caught a 2
eaters since Sept. 16, (fishing once a week), but I'm told that there are
some very large trout in the lake, (maybe 20 lb). I've tried everything I
know at this point, (which may be not much). No one is catching much there,
those that do are fishing worms.

My last adventure there was a beautiful afternoon, and I fished until dark.

Nuthin' happenin'.

I tried a lot of flies, and even a Rapala minnow lure. A fisherman in the
fishing store told me he had caught lots of fish there by trolling it.

There are a couple of rafts in the lake for summer swimmers. No one swimming
now. I figured there should be trout under those rafts.
I rowed near one of them- the water was about 10 feet deep. I cast a lot,
nothing.

I had a tandem on- a Parmachene Belle 12 with a Royal Coachman streamer 8
behind it. Nothing.

Then a fish jumped right beside the boat, dispelling my fears that the boat
was scaring them. I had a handful of line, and I flipped the tandem
immediately near where the fish had showed.

It took the fly, but I had so much slack that I didn't set the hook hard
enough, and the fish started away with the fly, but gave a shake and was
loose. It was maybe a 1-1/2 lb fish, by the feel of it.

So, I'm encouraged. My next outing, I will wait for a while after anchoring,
and then fish the Bead Head Hare's Ear.

The only fish I've caught in this lake were fish that showed just before I
caught them. Very few fish show on the surface of the lake.

If anyone has a reccommendation, I'd be glad to hear it. The season ends
Nov. 15.

-- Lionel
The more I see of people, the better I like fish.

OK,
I returned to the lake yesterday. About 2PM. The boat was full of water, and
I didn't feel like bailing. Fished (wading), till after 4.

I first tried a Hare's Ear and Pheasant Tail #14 nymph. Nuthin'.
There were 3 worm fishers nearby. Not a bite.

Gulls in the middle of the lake were flying after some kind of insect.

I put on 2 different midge larvae #20 or so. Nuthin'. A fish showed near the
fly, but wasn't going for mine. 2 other fish showed about 20 yards away.

I put on a Mickey Finn at the end, with a midge dropper. Nuthin'

Changed to sinking line. Mickey Finn. Nuthin'.
Noticed a bug hanging onto my net. It was a Water Boatman, about 1/4 inch
long. I know from previous research that the trout eat these, but I've never
seen an artificial like this.

Got ready to leave as I was very cold from standing in the water for a
couple hours. The wind dropped.

Took out the binocs. Out on the flat water, I could see quite a few dimples
on the water. I figger there were trout feeding on something just
subsurface.

I'll try again.

-- Lionel

"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote in message
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in article , Lionel F. Stevenson at
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It was stocked with 4800 rainbow trout in the fall of 2004. I've caught a
2
eaters since Sept. 16, (fishing once a week), but I'm told that there are
some very large trout in the lake, (maybe 20 lb). I've tried everything I
know at this point, (which may be not much). No one is catching much
there,
those that do are fishing worms.

I think this would tell me the stocked rainbows are feeding near the bottom.
I haven't fished for stocked trout for over 25 years, just don't have the
interest.
-tom

Jonathan Cook wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:


I haven't fished for stocked trout for over 25 years


Are you sure?

Jon.
who finds it near impossible not to

:-)

......but, I ALWAYS fish for wild. Sometimes, err, a lot of the times,
those pesky planters just get in the way.

brians

"briansfly" wrote in message
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Jonathan Cook wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:


I haven't fished for stocked trout for over 25 years


Are you sure?

Jon.
who finds it near impossible not to

:-)

.....but, I ALWAYS fish for wild. Sometimes, err, a lot of the times,
those pesky planters just get in the way.

Some people have trouble matching results to intentions. They learn.
Others never get beyond the trouble of distinguishing between them. They
teach.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"briansfly" wrote in message
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Jonathan Cook wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:


I haven't fished for stocked trout for over 25 years


Are you sure?

Jon.
who finds it near impossible not to

:-)

.....but, I ALWAYS fish for wild. Sometimes, err, a lot of the times,
those pesky planters just get in the way.

Some people have trouble matching results to intentions. They learn.
Others never get beyond the trouble of distinguishing between them. They
teach.

Wolfgang

Agree with "to educate".
Difference between planted and stocked?

Years ago a lot of the California Streams were "planted", but that has
seized in 1971 when they introduced the Wild Trout Program (WTP) by the
California Fish & Game Commission...correct me if I'm wrong on the date. The
move was to protect both environmentally, and productivity the wild trout
lakes and streams in California.

The "stocked" trout are fish that are farmed raised and trucked in by the
thousands to the lakes regulated by the CF&G. There are also a few private
property owners who also stock their waters. I had once the privilege of
watching one of the trucks unload mass trout into one of the local lakes.
After the lake was stocked, the driver (who was also one of the persons who
raises the trout) said, "watch this", and he reached in a bag of feeding
pellets and threw them into the lake. The stocked trout made a beeline to
feed on the pellets. Then he turned to me and asked; "You eat these things?"
as he pulled the cigarette from his mouth and threw it on the ground dousing
it with his worn shoe. I was probably in more shock than the newly stocked
fish, and without looking up, I replied; "Not anymore".
-tom

in article , Tom Nakashima at
wrote on 11/3/05 11:02 AM:


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"briansfly" wrote in message
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Jonathan Cook wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:


I haven't fished for stocked trout for over 25 years


Are you sure?

Jon.
who finds it near impossible not to

:-)

.....but, I ALWAYS fish for wild. Sometimes, err, a lot of the times,
those pesky planters just get in the way.

Some people have trouble matching results to intentions. They learn.
Others never get beyond the trouble of distinguishing between them. They
teach.

Wolfgang

Agree with "to educate".
Difference between planted and stocked?

Years ago a lot of the California Streams were "planted", but that has
seized in 1971 when they introduced the Wild Trout Program (WTP) by the
California Fish & Game Commission...correct me if I'm wrong on the date. The
move was to protect both environmentally, and productivity the wild trout
lakes and streams in California.

The "stocked" trout are fish that are farmed raised and trucked in by the
thousands to the lakes regulated by the CF&G. There are also a few private
property owners who also stock their waters. I had once the privilege of
watching one of the trucks unload mass trout into one of the local lakes.
After the lake was stocked, the driver (who was also one of the persons who
raises the trout) said, "watch this", and he reached in a bag of feeding
pellets and threw them into the lake. The stocked trout made a beeline to
feed on the pellets. Then he turned to me and asked; "You eat these things?"
as he pulled the cigarette from his mouth and threw it on the ground dousing
it with his worn shoe. I was probably in more shock than the newly stocked
fish, and without looking up, I replied; "Not anymore".
-tom


I prefer fishing in the wild, too.

Stocked fish that have been in the water for 6 months are basically wild.
They don't seem to remember pellet feeding, they fight well and they taste
good too.
I've tried chumming them with "Whiskas" cat bits, without any results.
-- Lionel

"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote in message
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in article ,

I prefer fishing in the wild, too.

Stocked fish that have been in the water for 6 months are basically wild.
They don't seem to remember pellet feeding, they fight well and they taste
good too.
I've tried chumming them with "Whiskas" cat bits, without any results.
-- Lionel

I have found stocked trout have a flakey whitish color meat, while the
natural or wild trout have a reddish color to their meat, which is probably
due to their diet. There is a difference in the taste.
Here is a link that further describes:
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Fis...rout/color.htm
-tom

"Lionel F. Stevenson" wrote

I've tried chumming them with "Whiskas" cat bits, without any results.

this post has been up for almost 30 minutes, and nary a peep from
barnard--

somebody call stanley's 911!


wayno(after all, a decomposed body can be a health hazard)

"Lionel F. Stevenson" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
I prefer fishing in the wild, too.

Stocked fish that have been in the water for 6 months are basically wild.
They don't seem to remember pellet feeding, they fight well and they taste
good too.
I've tried chumming them with "Whiskas" cat bits, without any results.
-- Lionel

SNIP

Stocked fish will never be wild. The closest one can get, is by stocking
fry, or at most, fingerlings. Even these are not really truly wild, as they
usually come from limited gene pools.

Under natural conditions, the massive mortality rate ensures that only the
fittest and most suited to the environment fish survive. This is not the
case with hatchery fish.

"Chumming" for trout is considered unsporting at best, and is also illegal
in many places. Using "Whiskas", will usually attract more eels and catfish,
than trout. If you wish to "chum" for trout in freshwater, then a handful
of maggots thrown in at regular intervals is most effective.

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

... If you wish to "chum" for trout in freshwater, then a handful
of maggots thrown in at regular intervals is most effective.

Just think how easy it would be to "chum" a stream located
next to the Republican National Convention. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry