How much / what weight backing, for a wide-use 8 weight?

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Tell me this: assuming I do get the V, that should give me plenty of
room for backing. Should I then be thinking 30#, just in case,
because, why not?

Will you be using leader/tippet stronger than 20#?

"JR" wrote in message
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wrote:

Tell me this: assuming I do get the V, that should give me plenty of
room for backing. Should I then be thinking 30#, just in case,
because, why not?

Will you be using leader/tippet stronger than 20#?

excellent response, and zen-like to boot...

yfitons
wayno

Answer: I don't know. This if my first "big" rod, and so I'm not sure
exactly what I'll eventually be using it for.

Thus far, the heaviest I've ever gone was 12# tippet, with Salmon up at
Pulaski. But, I'm really no expert on it, and I certainly know nothing
about, say, fishing for stripers out at Montauk. (A good friend of
mine just bought a place, so I'm hoping to get out there a lot next
year). I guess I'd put the question back to you as: would an 8-weight
rod ever be used, when fishing for something that would require 20#
tippet?

And, another question: is that the proper ratio - meaning, 20# tippet =
20# backing? I've seen in previous posts people recommending more like
a 12# max tippet = 20# backing, and heavier tippet should use heavier
backing. (Which, I don't know, makes some dumb intuitive sense to me.
In that, tippet size is constrained by keeping the line small enough to
fool fish. Whereas backing is just a matter of how much you can fit on
the reel. Right?)

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Answer: I don't know. This if my first "big" rod, and so I'm not sure
exactly what I'll eventually be using it for.

Thus far, the heaviest I've ever gone was 12# tippet, with Salmon up at
Pulaski. But, I'm really no expert on it, and I certainly know nothing
about, say, fishing for stripers out at Montauk. (A good friend of
mine just bought a place, so I'm hoping to get out there a lot next
year). I guess I'd put the question back to you as: would an 8-weight
rod ever be used, when fishing for something that would require 20#
tippet?

And, another question: is that the proper ratio - meaning, 20# tippet =
20# backing? I've seen in previous posts people recommending more like
a 12# max tippet = 20# backing, and heavier tippet should use heavier
backing. (Which, I don't know, makes some dumb intuitive sense to me.
In that, tippet size is constrained by keeping the line small enough to
fool fish. Whereas backing is just a matter of how much you can fit on
the reel. Right?)



The orvis guide to the Battenkill Large Arbor V
-tom

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On 1 Dec 2005 10:16:54 -0800, wrote:

Whereas backing is just a matter of how much you can fit on
the reel. Right?)

If something breaks you want the tippet to break before the backing, otherwise
you risk losing your fly line.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

On 1 Dec 2005 10:01:40 -0800, wrote:

The Lamson looks nice, but it's also a good bit more expensive.
(Trying to keep the cost on the reel part of this down.)

Not that much more, really. And you are getting a much better reel,
especially for bigger fish.


Tell me this: assuming I do get the V, that should give me plenty of
room for backing. Should I then be thinking 30#, just in case,
because, why not? Or is it really going to be better to stick with
20#, and use the extra room for extra length?

I see no reason to go bigger than 20#. Remember, in any set up, your
tippet is your weakest link, as JR has so Zen-like pointed out.

Dave

On 1 Dec 2005 10:01:40 -0800, wrote:

The Lamson looks nice, but it's also a good bit more expensive.
(Trying to keep the cost on the reel part of this down.)

Tell me this: assuming I do get the V, that should give me plenty of
room for backing. Should I then be thinking 30#, just in case,
because, why not? Or is it really going to be better to stick with
20#, and use the extra room for extra length?

Looks like one side of the question is under-represented to this point.
So I'll be the contrarian:
If you can get 300 yards of backing on the reel using 30#, go with 30#.

Given what you intend to fish for - or more to the point - over, I'd
definitely go with the 30# Micron for greater abrasion resistance.

Barracuda usually live in reefs. Reefs are brutal on flyfishing gear as it is.
30# backing might save you a pricey fly line. And flats fishing puts your line
near all kinds of shallow water hazards - it doesn't take coral for that to be
a problem, either.

cheers

/daytripper

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, wrote:

use for, well, basically everything else I come across: stripers or
bluefish out at Montauk (or even from the piers here in NYC), small
barracudas and what have you down in the Keys, the occasional Salmon
trip (for example, out at the Salmon River in Pulaski NY), and Steelies
wherever.

I was looking at getting the Orvis Battenkill Mid Arbor IV reel, which
is listed for 7/8 weights... only, I see that when using an 8-weight
line, I'd only get about 100 yards of 20lb dacron backing.

I've read so much bad stuff about Gel spun being dangerous, and in fact
I already have the bad habit of letting my finger touch the line
occasionally, so I'm thinking I should stick with Dacron. But my
questions a

Is 20# heavy enough for the uses I mentioned (as opposed to 30lb)?
And, is 100 yards enough?

I think 20#/100 yards is fine for salmon and steelhead in New York rivers.
Once a fish is 130 yards away from me on the river I would attempt to just
simply break it off. The only place this might not apply is some very
large waters like the the Niagara River.

For sal****er I would recommend 30# for a simple reason that 20# tippet is
not out of the question for certain sal****er fishing situations.

I have used GSP backing for sal****er fishing but not for very speedy fish
(I think bluefish and stripers would be OK though albacore might be
troublesome - I just don't know). But you should realize that people fish
for tuna using conventional gear and GSP lines. This heavyweight
sal****er gear does not have a level wind mechanism; anglers wind on the
line evenly using their fingers. I wear a finger wrap called Flex Wrap to
protect my fingers whether using GSP or not when fishing the salt because
even the fly line cuts into my fingers from the repetitive stripping that
is required.

For GSP I have used PowerPro because it has a coating that is smooth (less
abrasive on than some other types of GSP lines). If you want to cover all
your bases, I'd second Tripper's recommendation to get a reel that holds
200+ yards of 30# backing. For inshore sal****er I think even 100 yards
is OK. I say buy the reel that is best suited for the type of fishing you
do most often. For those more exotic venues get a guide and use his
equipment.

Mu

Not to beat this to death, but, to make the choice simple --

From my (very rough) calculations, I can get about 200 yards at 20#,
versus about 150 yards at 30#.

Votes?

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, wrote:

Not to beat this to death, but, to make the choice simple --

From my (very rough) calculations, I can get about 200 yards at 20#,
versus about 150 yards at 30#.

150yd/30#
Mu