Cheney shoots someone (I'm not kidding)

Scott Seidman wrote:

We all draw the line somewhere. Personally, for me, its big game
enclosed by a fence, because I don't think its "sporting" (whatever that
means) and the management practice helps spread CWD. With respect to the
birds, certainly, wanton waste enters the picture, so what's done with
the 70 birds is somewhat important. Perhaps a donation of the game to a
feed the poor program would somewhat ameliorate what appears at first
glance to be gluttony.

While sportsmen certainly need to police their own sport, so others don't
do it for them, I try to tread rather lightly. For example, there are
some people who think that catch and kill fishing is immoral. There are
catch and release fishermen that think catching and releasing fifty fish
in a day is an abuse of the resource and of the fish. There are anti-
wackos who say that any fishing at all is morally repugnant. There are
environmentalist who object to fish stocking. Which definitions of
sportsmanlike should I follow?

The social libertarian in me wants me to believe that dictating
"sportsmanlike" behavior to others who hold a different, though
defendable, definition of "sportsmanlike" is no more reasonable than
someone telling me when life begins. On the other side of the coin, I
don't think that fenced-in big game hunts should be legal, and you won't
catch me shooting 70 birds, though I might take a reasonable bag limit on
a game farm. I can see a youth shoot resulting in a party taking a large
number of birds, while still following a tight bag limit on each hunter.
Of course, wanton waste regulations should apply to absolutely every
hunt.

You can dance around the issue all you like, but I won't. I think
shooting farm-raised birds in a setup is deplorable, no different in
kind than shooting fenced-in deer.

It's not that I feel sorry for the birds. It's just disgusting,
egotistical behavior. It's probably great fun, though.

I've fished in roughly comparable situations. Wounded Knee in North
Carolina is the closest parallel I can think of. I won't be going back
there, but it was great fun that one time.

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Wolfgang wrote:
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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote:
Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."
Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY State,
at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy wing
shooting in similar environments, as its the closest that they can get to
the real thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer facility.
Yeah, but it's not like real wing shooting either if the ones
in New York state are anything like the ones here in Illinois.
Around here you pay for X amount of birds, X amount of birds
are taken out of their pens and planted in a field, and X
amount of birds are shot, one way or the other. They may as
well be fenced in for all the chance they have.

The few hunt clubs I've been to in southern Wisconsin are all surrounded by
other properties that have a much higher concnetration of pheasants (and
whatever other birds are released) than similiar habitats further from the
clubs. Escapees, I think they're called. Evidently we have some wing
shooters here who aren't as good as you. Presumably, their dogs aren't as
good as yours either.

Dogs are required at these places and there are no escapees.
If you pay for 5 birds, you'll take home 5 birds whether you
shoot them yourself or the "guide" does.

I won't hunt
pheasant at one of those places.

I take it you don't eat chicken, then.

Huh ?

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote:
Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores
of farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."

Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY
State, at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy
wing shooting in similar environments, as its the closest that they
can get to the real thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer
facility.

Yeah, but it's not like real wing shooting either if the ones
in New York state are anything like the ones here in Illinois.
Around here you pay for X amount of birds, X amount of birds
are taken out of their pens and planted in a field, and X
amount of birds are shot, one way or the other. They may as
well be fenced in for all the chance they have. I won't hunt
pheasant at one of those places.


FWIW, in NY many farms go by birds released, and don't guarantee a take.
There are plenty of escapes, no fences, and in many areas the escapees
help keep pheasant pops up in surrounding and public areas. Some farms
also help out with NY State stocking programs.

Is the farmed game hunt all that different from hunting for stocked
pheasant in a publicly announced Wildlife Management Area? Perhaps a
game farm is a good environment to train a dog in? I'd also think it's a
good way to get used to finding injured birds that have gone to ground,
which aren't always easy to find. Some might consider the farm hunt to
be a good way to involve young hunters (not me-- no attention span, no
hunt!).

Farms also play a role in distracting yahoos from the real wild birds,
and probably keep real habitat from becoming depleted.



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rw wrote in news:Up3If.201$VI6.107
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You can dance around the issue all you like, but I won't. I think
shooting farm-raised birds in a setup is deplorable, no different in
kind than shooting fenced-in deer.

Fine. Don't do it. When you start telling me I shouldn't, I'll buy you a
PETA shirt.

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"Scott Seidman" wrote

(snip)

While sportsmen certainly need to police their own sport, so others don't
do it for them, I try to tread rather lightly. For example, there are
some people who think that catch and kill fishing is immoral. There are
catch and release fishermen that think catching and releasing fifty fish
in a day is an abuse of the resource and of the fish.

(snip)

god, i love the smell of rational introspection in the early afternoon...

yfitons
wayno

"rw" wrote

I've fished in roughly comparable situations. Wounded Knee in North
Carolina is the closest parallel I can think of. I won't be going back
there, but it was great fun that one time.

was that the place you went when waldo had his "spring fling"? if so,
do you remember how to get there?

yfitons
wayno

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Larry L typed:

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To that we can add the fact that the 'conservative thought' is much
easier to present in sound bite fashion. Not that it's better
thought, just easier to put into a few, oft repeated, words.

No, it's better. Trust me.

A conservative can find his "there is one right way, in all
situations, at all times, no more thought needed" answer on a given
topic, refine it to the minimum words and Bush-like recite his manta,
each and every time that topic comes up.

You're, of course, assuming that Bush IS a conservative, which he has proven
he's not. And, BTW, many times there IS just one right way to do things. I
just wish these freakin' political hacks could choose that way once in a
while.

A liberal is forced, by
his beliefs, to actually consider other points of view and the idea
that different solutions need to be applied to different problems.

Yeah, once he's told what to believe. ;-)

When he tries to explain that far more thoughtful position it comes
off as 'wishy washy' to a public trained to decide by what they are
told to decide by how many times they've seen the exact same ad, over
and over, telling them what to think.

Talk about yer oversimplification! Hoo boy.
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rw wrote in news:URTHf.108$VI6.55
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cheney_hunting_accident


What's the bag limit on croney's??

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote:
Cheney is a pig of a "hunter." He has a history of shooting scores of
farm-raised birds in canned "hunts."
Fair is fair. Game birds are alot fewer and farther between in NY
State, at least, than they were two decades ago. Many hunters enjoy
wing shooting in similar environments, as its the closest that they can
get to the real thing. It's not like it's a fenced-in deer facility.
Yeah, but it's not like real wing shooting either if the ones
in New York state are anything like the ones here in Illinois.
Around here you pay for X amount of birds, X amount of birds
are taken out of their pens and planted in a field, and X
amount of birds are shot, one way or the other. They may as
well be fenced in for all the chance they have.

The few hunt clubs I've been to in southern Wisconsin are all surrounded
by other properties that have a much higher concnetration of pheasants
(and whatever other birds are released) than similiar habitats further
from the clubs. Escapees, I think they're called. Evidently we have
some wing shooters here who aren't as good as you. Presumably, their
dogs aren't as good as yours either.

Dogs are required at these places and there are no escapees.
If you pay for 5 birds, you'll take home 5 birds whether you
shoot them yourself or the "guide" does.

Hm.....

You say "They may as well be fenced in for all the chance they have." Can't
speak for anyone else, but it seems clear to me that this means they are NOT
fenced in. Hobbled? Chained to a stake? Left in the cage? Wings clipped?


I won't hunt
pheasant at one of those places.

I take it you don't eat chicken, then.

Huh ?

I said, "I take it you don't eat chicken, then."

Wolfgang

Tim J. wrote:

You're, of course, assuming that Bush IS a conservative, which he has proven
he's not.

Bingo.

The problem is that Rove, Bush's brain, has so far succeeded in selling
the notion that you are by definition a conservative if and only if you
support Bush. Can I assume that you, as a conservative, no longer
approve of Bush?

I respect true conservative principles, but this administration mob has
no principles. They're a pack of crooks and liars, politically
opportunistic to their core.

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