feathers and tying flys with them

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riverman wrote:
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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers
worldwide a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it
wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html

brians


Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman

"rw" wrote


The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



A small CJ with bright red goose biot tails is, in my limited experience (
10-12 days there), a great fly for the Big Lost

Larry wrote:
"rw" wrote


The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.




A small CJ with bright red goose biot tails is, in my limited experience (
10-12 days there), a great fly for the Big Lost



That's my experience on the Big Lost, too.

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riverman wrote:

Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions.

Harry's tutorials are great.

I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

I think the idea is that it helps to make the wire wraps even and tight.

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"riverman" wrote in :


Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try
tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire
turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the
head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman


You can use the thread to apply pressure to the wraps of copper, and make
sure that they butt tight. I don't find it very helpful with copper, but
it's a damn fine technique with unistretch. I usually use the tag end of
whatever material I'm using, and not the main thread.

--
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riverman wrote:


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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers
worldwide a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it
wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html

brians



Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman

I don't want to speak for Harry, but he explains it pretty well in Step
#14. The thread and bobbin add additional pressure to the wire, and help
keep the wraps tight against each other. I've done it this way, and
while it may help, I find it easier to do as you suggested(wrapping the
thread up to the head). Also, the partridge legs *look* easy enough to
tie in, but it does take some experience before you get them even, and
aligned properly.

Harry has a excellent tutorial section.....one of the best on the web.
He also sells high quality flies at reasonable prices.

brians

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:11:46 +0800, "riverman"
wrote:

Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman


The theory is that the bobbins weight will maintain the tightness
between each successive wire turn. On small wire I can see this being
a real factor, but with medium wire I doubt it has an effect, unless
of course, your bobbin weighs in at five pounds.

HM

"rw" wrote

That's my experience on the Big Lost, too.


This one
http://tinyurl.com/lzf2k

has worked very well for me on both of the 'Bigs' in your area .... I've
only fished them after mid August, fwiw

I suck at nymphing, but I once fished in downtown Ketchum not far from an
old (even to me!! ) guy that told me he and his sons had fished the "Bigs"
every season since the boys were young ( they looked 35-45 now). We were
both nymphing similar water, but he wasn't catching that day and I was. He
finally came over to look at my flashy nymph ... he was very distainful of
how 'gaudy' it was, but took one when I offered ..... it was probably the
one and only time in my life I will outfish anyone, anywhere.

Larry wrote:
"rw" wrote

That's my experience on the Big Lost, too.



This one
http://tinyurl.com/lzf2k

has worked very well for me on both of the 'Bigs' in your area .... I've
only fished them after mid August, fwiw

You should try to make it to the Big Wood in June for the Green Drake
hatch. It's really something special. This is going to be a high-water
year, so bring a wading staff. :-)

I'd recommend the Brown Drake hatch on Silver Creek in early June, but
it's a zoo -- billionaires arriving on private jets. If you don't mind
fishing at night and setting the hook by ear, though, you'll like it.

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"rw" wrote


I'd recommend the Brown Drake hatch on Silver Creek in early June, but
it's a zoo -- billionaires arriving on private jets. If you don't mind
fishing at night and setting the hook by ear, though, you'll like it.



I trained dogs for a very nice guy that has a couple big Caterpillar Tractor
dealerships in the Fresno area of the Valley ... i.e. big buck dealerships


He'd leave his duck dog with me all year except for hunting season and fly
up to leave him off or pick him up. The second or third time I met him at
the local, tiny, airport I was surprised when he walked up to the truck and
I said, "Oh I didn't see your plane come in, just a big blue one." He
replied, "Oh, I'm in different one of my planes today." ( he had a personal
pilot and all his dogs had to be taught to lie under his feet in the
airplanes )


Last time I fished the Big Lost, a couple guys walked towards me in the
water ( you know about the locals and having to stay in the water to avoid
buckshot ;-) and I said something about "Try to move carefully please, I
have a good fish working right over there" pointing.

One of them said, "Larry, is that you?"

It was my billionaire guy .... your comment about "them" and private planes
reminded me off the story G

It IS a small world, last year in W.Yellowstone, stopped at a light I hear,
"Larry, Larry, over here!" to turn and see a local dog guy I know ...
actually I've run into a dozen or more people I know there over the last 5
years. The man that owned the Oakdale paper ( weekly) and I met for the
first time on the Firehole two years ago, even though we have several mutual
acquaintances ..etc etc