Couldn't let it go.. (but I tried).

I was hoping someone else would have brought up this thread, but they
didn't so I will throw my hat in and wait to get flamed.

I will start by saying, I am a HUGE KVD fan, I think he is an amazing
fisherman, and know he is just as competitive as any other angler
anywhere. Now, with that said, I am not sure how many of you had read
this months Bassmaster (which I vowed to stop reading, but just can't
stop) Magazine. There is a little clip explaining how KVD had wheeled
his rod and reel in the water after losing a fish, maybe a big fish,
maybe just a legal...regardless. KVD wasn't disqualified, or even
chastised for the action, Zebco didn't dump his as a sponsor. BASS put
in maybe 10 lines in the bottom corner of the magazine almost comically
supporting the action.

"He regretted the action when he realized he might be needing the outfit
for the rest of his competition day." (Bassmaster June 2006, pg. 16).

Now lets rewind back a few months, back to the Classic at Toho.
Iaconelli had a couple fish dying in his livewell, got ****ed kicked his
light pole on his boat. He lost his weight for the day because of
sportsmanship, or lack there of. I had made a comment at the time ,
that if KVD had done the same thing, the rules would not be applied the
same way. It seems that , in my eyes, this is the case in this instance.

Sure BASS could justify it many ways, first, Ike was on National TV, KVD
was not, but it was glorified in a National publication, and as far as I
know a lot of "impressionable youths" can read.

I guess it all depends on who does what.

Chris

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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I was hoping someone else would have brought up this thread, but they
didn't so I will throw my hat in and wait to get flamed.

I will start by saying, I am a HUGE KVD fan, I think he is an amazing
fisherman, and know he is just as competitive as any other angler
anywhere. Now, with that said, I am not sure how many of you had read
this months Bassmaster (which I vowed to stop reading, but just can't
stop) Magazine. There is a little clip explaining how KVD had wheeled
his rod and reel in the water after losing a fish, maybe a big fish,

Now lets rewind back a few months, back to the Classic at Toho.
Iaconelli had a couple fish dying in his livewell, got ****ed kicked his
light pole on his boat. He lost his weight for the day because of
sportsmanship, or lack there of. I had made a comment at the time ,
that if KVD had done the same thing, the rules would not be applied the
same way. It seems that , in my eyes, this is the case in this instance.

I'm not saying I agree with BASS but I certainlly can see these as two
different types of infractions. First, Ike was swearing in public/on camera.
How many times have you seen this on TV? Did KVD swear at the time? Second,
Ike damaged BASS property on purpose. I'm betting KVD owned the rod he threw
away. I can see BASS being a little upset when the contestants start
breaking their $40k boats.

Getting upset is one thing, being on the BASS circuit and swearing and
damaging BASS property on purposes is another.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with Ikes DQ in the 2006 Classic.

Bottom line... people LOVE to HATE Ike.

"Todd Copeland" wrote in message
k.net...
"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
I was hoping someone else would have brought up this thread, but they
didn't so I will throw my hat in and wait to get flamed.

I will start by saying, I am a HUGE KVD fan, I think he is an amazing
fisherman, and know he is just as competitive as any other angler
anywhere. Now, with that said, I am not sure how many of you had read
this months Bassmaster (which I vowed to stop reading, but just can't
stop) Magazine. There is a little clip explaining how KVD had wheeled
his rod and reel in the water after losing a fish, maybe a big fish,

Now lets rewind back a few months, back to the Classic at Toho.
Iaconelli had a couple fish dying in his livewell, got ****ed kicked his
light pole on his boat. He lost his weight for the day because of
sportsmanship, or lack there of. I had made a comment at the time ,
that if KVD had done the same thing, the rules would not be applied the
same way. It seems that , in my eyes, this is the case in this instance.

I'm not saying I agree with BASS but I certainlly can see these as two
different types of infractions. First, Ike was swearing in public/on
camera.
How many times have you seen this on TV? Did KVD swear at the time?
Second,
Ike damaged BASS property on purpose. I'm betting KVD owned the rod he
threw
away. I can see BASS being a little upset when the contestants start
breaking their $40k boats.

Getting upset is one thing, being on the BASS circuit and swearing and
damaging BASS property on purposes is another.

Again, I'm not saying I agree with Ikes DQ in the 2006 Classic.

Bottom line... people LOVE to HATE Ike.



All sports have their double-standards. How often did you see Michael Jordon
get called for traveling? KVD is the Circuit's poster boy and Ike is the
Circuit Bad Boy. Both are needed and both will always be treated
differently.

On Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:00 GMT, "Todd Copeland"
wrote:

Getting upset is one thing, being on the BASS circuit and swearing and
damaging BASS property on purposes is another.

IMO, many athletes (including fishermen) are going to get
frustrated from time to time and do something they shouldn't do. I
don't think I would ever DQ somebody based on them just losing their
temper because everybody has emotions...or at least should have...if
they're human.

IMO, the mere use of foul language and tearing up of safety
equipment probably shouldn't have been enough for a DQ. Foul language
is bad and something we should avoid...but the cold hard truth of the
matter is that many fishermen use or have used foul language. Foul
language in and of itself isn't near as bad as many things you see out
there and the majority of it is, well, pretty harmless. And if
tearing up safety equipment is grounds for a DQ...I'd hate to think
whats next.

However, IMO, desecrating the American flag was enough to justify
a DQ. IMO, that's intolerable and merited some punishment. But
whether that punishment merited a DQ or a fine or something else...I
think you'd have to look at all the circumstances (now everything
comes in...lost fish, huge event, weather conditions, his history,
foul language, tearing of safety equipment, degree of intent, etc.).
I think most people want to see the best fisherman of that particular
event win (guy who catches the most weight of fish) and don't want to
see guys DQed because of trivial rules/regulations (that all too often
can be selectively applied).

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

Ughh...KVD got DQ'ed at Santee Cooper for doing much less than desicrating
the US flag...

Warren


"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:00 GMT, "Todd Copeland"
wrote:

Getting upset is one thing, being on the BASS circuit and swearing and
damaging BASS property on purposes is another.

IMO, many athletes (including fishermen) are going to get
frustrated from time to time and do something they shouldn't do. I
don't think I would ever DQ somebody based on them just losing their
temper because everybody has emotions...or at least should have...if
they're human.

IMO, the mere use of foul language and tearing up of safety
equipment probably shouldn't have been enough for a DQ. Foul language
is bad and something we should avoid...but the cold hard truth of the
matter is that many fishermen use or have used foul language. Foul
language in and of itself isn't near as bad as many things you see out
there and the majority of it is, well, pretty harmless. And if
tearing up safety equipment is grounds for a DQ...I'd hate to think
whats next.

However, IMO, desecrating the American flag was enough to justify
a DQ. IMO, that's intolerable and merited some punishment. But
whether that punishment merited a DQ or a fine or something else...I
think you'd have to look at all the circumstances (now everything
comes in...lost fish, huge event, weather conditions, his history,
foul language, tearing of safety equipment, degree of intent, etc.).
I think most people want to see the best fisherman of that particular
event win (guy who catches the most weight of fish) and don't want to
see guys DQed because of trivial rules/regulations (that all too often
can be selectively applied).

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

Yep, first of all I've never liked Ike. Yes he's an amazing fisherman.
But, his "ACT" is old and tired. I was brought up to "act as if" you've
been there before and not show up other competitors or call attention to
yourself(screaming like a total idiot & playing for the cameras). Ike
has issues...he screams, swears, throws temper tantrums, breaks
equipment, and yes desecrated our flag. Not only should Ike have been
DQ'd, he should've been banned by BASS because of the flag. JMHO.

DM

"Melange still races" wrote in message
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Yep, first of all I've never liked Ike. Yes he's an amazing fisherman.
But, his "ACT" is old and tired. I was brought up to "act as if" you've
been there before and not show up other competitors or call attention to
yourself(screaming like a total idiot & playing for the cameras). Ike
has issues...he screams, swears, throws temper tantrums, breaks
equipment, and yes desecrated our flag. Not only should Ike have been
DQ'd, he should've been banned by BASS because of the flag. JMHO.

DM


DM, I have a son in the Marines and a step-daughter in the Army about to
deploy to Iraq for the second time. When I asked them about Ike they both
basically said they were fighting for freedom and that includes acting like
a pouting child like Ike. Don't take Ike's actions seriously since he is a
creation of Mickey BASS (ESPN) after all. IMHO Joe Z.

"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
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However, IMO, desecrating the American flag was enough to justify
a DQ. IMO, that's intolerable and merited some punishment.

Let me say I am not an Ike fan and I think he's emotional, but also a fake,
who seems to check for a camera's presence before he lets out a scream.

But let's not overplay the desecration card. There is no doubt that that was
not deliberate, it was an accidental by-product of his little tantrum. I'm
not an attorney like you are, but I know that intent is a major factor in
the law. There is no way in hell he intended to desecrate that flag.

Any punishment, IMHO, should be based on what he did or didn't say on camera
and destruction of property, not what happened with the flag.

"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:00 GMT, "Todd Copeland"
wrote:

SNIP
However, IMO, desecrating the American flag was enough to justify
a DQ. IMO, that's intolerable and merited some punishment.

So, let me get this straight. You think tearing up a light pole on a boat
with an American flag on it is desecration, yet people are allowed to burn
it as a protected act of "freedom of speech"?

Puh-lease!! Ike simply took his frustration out on a piece of equipment that
just happened to have the flag on it. There are real desecrations of the
flag going on in the world at times every day on TV it seems, and what Ike
did does not qualify IMO. Nowhere close.

I agree with womever said it eariler in this thread, BASS apparently needs
both a Golden Boy and a Whipping Boy and Ike has simply been annointed as
the Whipping Boy. And Whipping Boys usually get firmer punishment for even
the slighest of acts, even if they were as much perceived as they were real.
The perception youre espousing here is that he desecrated the flag, which I
disagree with. He desecrated a safety light that happened to be hosting a
Flag at the time. To hear the whiners over this act you'd think he ripped
the flag off, doused it in lighter fluid and set it ablaze.


--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater
Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

SimRacer wrote:
"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:00 GMT, "Todd Copeland"
wrote:


SNIP

However, IMO, desecrating the American flag was enough to justify
a DQ. IMO, that's intolerable and merited some punishment.


So, let me get this straight. You think tearing up a light pole on a boat
with an American flag on it is desecration, yet people are allowed to burn
it as a protected act of "freedom of speech"?


I guess I'm the only reader who considers it very disrespectful
(desecration?) to reduce Old Glory to ornamental status by mounting a
Chinese-made (fifty cent) plastic replica to the light pole of a bass
boat in the first place?