Deer hair skaters.

Tim J. wrote:


. . . a fond memory is you and I making little trouties shoot for the sky
while skating the caddis flies in the riffles of that feeder stream to the
Batten Kill. Much fun.

I only got up there once this year, but took a couple of dozen browns
and brookies from that same spot and up. Some were a nice size too. Yes,
last year was a fun time. If it wasn't for the t-storms blowing out the
river it would have been much better!!

All interesting and worthy fly variations posted....

Following is a link to a site showing many Steelhead flies, the Bomber -Tri,
in various colors is the type of skater/waker that I have used.

http://www.cowichanriverflyfishing.com/index.php?id=25 (no affiliation to
the outfit)

In regards to the Muddler, I've had very good luck fishing the fly dry
(primarily during an October caddis hatch when I have ran out of orange
stimulators) , I have never run in sub-surface... Might give it a shot
through some deep holes sometime...

Thanks,
JT

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
...
...Perhaps our fish are not so edumacated but it would surprise me if
these large, actively fished flies would not work for trout anywhere there
were big caddis about.

One can hardly dismiss out of hand the contention that the jerk on one end
of the line's frequent failure to experience one on the other end can be
imputed to an intellectual stalemate but, alas, our trout up here are not
all that well schooled.

Wolfgang

riverman skrev:

A very common fly
in the Scandhoovian regions is a "Skating Caddis", something which as of
yet, seems rare in the shops I have looked into. The folks at LLBeans had
never even heard of it, yet it was the most productive fly at both Lapland
Claves I attended. I still use it as my 'secret weapon' when I fish in New
England because I'm quite sure the fish have never seen one before.


IMHO, the streaking caddis is a good imitation, but if we speak about
"deer hair", "caddis" and "skating" in the same sentence I do prefer
the Elk hair caddis. It floats high, leaving just the tiniest of wake
behind it, imitating the natural in soo many ways. In our neck of the
woods, "Scandahoovia" as Myron (riverman) prefers to call it, we tend
to fish the caddis more often than just about anything else. I'm going
to quote myself and my first ever post on ROFF "Fly fishing for trout,
arctic char and grayling is mainly done with different sedge (caddis)
imitations, pupae's as well as fully developed insects". I was speaking
of Myron's Scandahoovia and the fact that living extremely far north
tend to limit the range of available insect species. But, to conclude,
since all caddis "skate" in a manner, there's very little reason to
fish this fly in a dead drift, other then extending the fishable drift
further by letting it float drag free at first, hence all the
streaking/skating patterns. What I'm saying, and yes, I'm rambling
after a bottle of Shiraz and Jean-Marie's excellent 40 year old Cognac,
is that the efficiency of the skating caddis is not only a documented
fact but also the plain truth. So, it doesn't surprise me to hear that,
after the Lapland claves, Myron considers this his secret weapon and I
do believe that Vaughan uses this type of fly on a regular basis. The
general idea of the skating/streaking caddis is to imitate the the
action so commonly seen by the caddis on the surface of the water, and
further I think that most fish (predators) react to the
streaking/skating caddis due to the movement and that this movement
makes them less careful and more aggressive than usual. The method is
somewhat related to the induced take.
Sorry guys, I'm a bit drunk and when drunk I tend to repeat myself. It
is not that I think you don't understand what I'm saying, more that I
have to convince myself that I'm saying the right thing ;-)

BR/ Roger

On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:44:50 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:
If memory serves, there are references to using a muddler as a dry fly in the
literature.

I've had some luck fishing a muddler dry. One day on Spring Creek a
nice fish was sipping something too small for me to see, although it
was only about 15 feet away.

Since I couldn't imitate it, I tried a #12 muddler. The 15-inch trout
took it on the first cast.

Try that sometime.

vince

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:44:50 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:
If memory serves, there are references to using a muddler as a dry fly
in the
literature.

I've had some luck fishing a muddler dry. One day on Spring Creek a
nice fish was sipping something too small for me to see, although it
was only about 15 feet away.

Since I couldn't imitate it, I tried a #12 muddler. The 15-inch trout
took it on the first cast.

Try that sometime.

vince

Don't overlook taking Muddlers and fishing them dry when you go warm-water
fishing. In sizes 6-12 at dusk, I've floated them around brush and
stick-ups in ponds and caught some explosive strikes from bass up to 5
pounds and Warmouth well over a pound. My best guess is they are mistaken
for fat, juicy grasshoppers or cicadas, but who really knows what the fish
is thinking?

-Doc

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:

Interesting flies, but those weren't what I was expecting. A very common
fly in the Scandhoovian regions is a "Skating Caddis", something which as
of yet, seems rare in the shops I have looked into. The folks at LLBeans
had never even heard of it, yet it was the most productive fly at both
Lapland Claves I attended. I still use it as my 'secret weapon' when I
fish in New England because I'm quite sure the fish have never seen one
before.

http://www.fish4flies.com/Dry/Sedge/..._Black.Gallery

--riverman
For anyone interested in the tying instructions for this "secret
weapon".....

http://www.rackelhanen.se/eng/10235.htm

It is a good fly.



Oh yes, that's the one. I couldn't find a link to the exact one I have, but
its one that either you or Roger gave me last clave. I love that fly. Your
link will be bookmarked...

--riverman

Interesting I've had good luck on trout lakes attracting fish to chase and
hit when caddis flies hovering about laying their eggs, but not to many
rises.

Yes I used to fish the neversink skater on the East branch of the Delaware
flat water with luck on windy days.

That streaking caddis is one I must try though. I've never fished diving
caddis either, and don't know too much about them except that they dive to
the bottom to lay their eggs there is an imitation for them. perhaps it's a
wet fly.



wrote in message
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"G. J. Z." wrote in
news:_bOJg.2025$Xw6.1005@trndny02:

Hello all I've been hanging round reading but this is my
second
post.



Deer hair skaters



I remember seeing these in a Lee Wolfe book I was browsing
one
time I been working on them they fish fine.

Anyone ever fished skaters they are usually made with over
sized
stiff hackle but its hard to get any more because the hackle
now
days are very good but smaller sized.



You could really get a rainbow interested you skate and dance
it
across the surface. It's effective at times.





Link to flies

http://www.savepic.com/freepictureho...s.php?i=486284
&img=lones
kater.jpg



http://www.savepic.com/freepictureho...s.php?i=486283
&img=skate
r1.jpg







I have a few that I keep in a Sucrets tin in my vest. Neversink
Skaters invented by Edward Ringwood Hewitt. I tied mine with
Badger hackle. The best day I had with them was on Falling
Springs Creek in Chambersburg, PA. There were Butterflies all
over the place so I tied on a skater and started catching
trout.
rt

G. J. Z. wrote:

That streaking caddis is one I must try though. I've never fished diving
caddis either, and don't know too much about them except that they dive to
the bottom to lay their eggs there is an imitation for them. perhaps it's a
wet fly.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...12901fotw.html

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