Any live bait fishers???

I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55
gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the
fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long
the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for
those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale
Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


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Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a
55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of
the fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how
long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work
better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in
places like Dale Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow
quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a
typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.

I missed that episode, but it got me thinking that it might work well for
muskies, drifting 8 - 12 inch suckers for bait. Except I'm thinking of a 12
inch sevenstrand wire leader with a 3/0 - 5/0 treble stuck in the back, just
behind the dorsal fin.

I could thread the leader through the gill, out the mouth and stick one
treble, then tie to the main line. Hmmmm, I might have to go muskie
fishing!
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

I can tell ya from experience Bob that it never mattered dead or alive with
minnows. When my children first started fishing we used minnows all the
time. The best way to rig the minnows in my opinion was right behind the
dorsal fin and fish them without a bobber, another thing I used to do was
snip a small portion of the tail off. This would make the minnow go crazy in
the water. If they died, we use to real them in erratically sometimes fast
sometimes slow and we would always manage to catch fish.

Once they started using plastics, the live bait went to the wayside. I have
forgotten how much fun it was taking them out with a bucket of minnows.



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a
55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of
the fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how
long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work
better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in
places like Dale Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow
quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a
typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the
dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish.

It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them
legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait.

It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it
produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I
fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait.
May have just been an accident.

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oups.com...

I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the
dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish.

It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them
legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait.

It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it
produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I
fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait.
May have just been an accident.


Here in Wisconsin, it is legal to use gamefish and panfish as livebait, but
there are certain stipulations. If the fish you're using for bait is
subject to a size limit, it must meet that (ie, a 15 inch walleye for muskie
bait), it has to be from the same body of water you're fishing (no
transporting to a different lake) and it counts toward your daily bag limit.
Again, using walleyes as an example, if you started out walleye fishing,
then decided to go muskie fishing, you better not have five walleyes in your
livewell and one on the hook as bait because you're now one fish over the
limit!
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
.. .
I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a
55
gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the
mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of
the
fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how
long
the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better
for
those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like
Dale
Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow
quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com


Hey Bob, don't do much of any true "live bait" fishing for the LM here on
the middle East Coast, but I often will cast net shad for use in trolling
for striped bass. It is often the only way to boat any on certain days when
nothing else is working like bucktail jigs, crippl'd shad spoons, etc.

I do cast net for "minners" to use for crappie fishing at the local holes
though, as well as floating lights on the surface to draw up even more
minnows beside the boat to act as live chum when we night fish for the tasty
little critters.

At the coast, is a different story. We'll use "mud minnows" for flounder and
of course, live shrimp for speckled trout. Though last year, we tried some
Gulp!-type artificial shrimp to good effect on the trout...So that tide is
shifting. Those shrimp tails on a some small jig heads worked great.

About the only real "live bait" I will use for LM bass is the rare occasion
I am able to fish on smaller and private ponds. They still get a fair amount
of pressure, even though they're private, and I will often at least try to
find some native crawdads around the pond to use as an offer to the fish if
they aren't hitting anything aritificial on that day. The trick is turning
over the rocks that hold crawdads underneath and not the ones that are
hiding snakes...lol.


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When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook
them either in the tail or lips, and I remove a few fins, but not to the
point where I kill them. Like you said usually you don't have to go to
those extremes (clipping fins), but sometimes it is the only way to get
them to even consider your bait.

Chris
Bob La Londe wrote:
I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55
gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the
fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long
the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for
those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale
Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.

Chris Rennert wrote in news:451ae169$0$6145$39cecf19
@news.twtelecom.net:

When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook
them either in the tail or lips,

I was at a TU meeting in the hatchery at Altmar NY. In the lobby, someone
was giving away free kittens, and had them in a big fish tank. I can't
tell you how many people passing by said they were good for pike when you
hook em through the lips!

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Scott
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Hmmmmm
Scott Seidman wrote:
Chris Rennert wrote in news:451ae169$0$6145$39cecf19
@news.twtelecom.net:

When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook
them either in the tail or lips,

I was at a TU meeting in the hatchery at Altmar NY. In the lobby, someone
was giving away free kittens, and had them in a big fish tank. I can't
tell you how many people passing by said they were good for pike when you
hook em through the lips!

If a muskie takes the walleye, can you then catch another one to
replace it? Is that culling?

Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the
dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish.

It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them
legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait.

It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it
produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I
fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait.
May have just been an accident.


Here in Wisconsin, it is legal to use gamefish and panfish as livebait, but
there are certain stipulations. If the fish you're using for bait is
subject to a size limit, it must meet that (ie, a 15 inch walleye for muskie
bait), it has to be from the same body of water you're fishing (no
transporting to a different lake) and it counts toward your daily bag limit.
Again, using walleyes as an example, if you started out walleye fishing,
then decided to go muskie fishing, you better not have five walleyes in your
livewell and one on the hook as bait because you're now one fish over the
limit!
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com