The Figure 8 Cast

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On 8 Dec 2006 12:09:47 -0800, "Stephen Welsh"
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Tom Nakashima wrote:

The key to the tangled mess, is "STOP" immediately after casting the
first
tangle.

Tom's right Jeremy, stop.

I wasn't going to make an issue of it when I read it, but now I'm
curious - why would you guys think anyone would continue attempting to
cast with a tangled mess, or have I mis-read/understood what Tom wrote?

TC,
R

CLUE:

Try listening for the line travelling through the air it sounds
different when a tangle forms.


END CLUE.

Wolfgang
a shiny new nickel says he doesn't get it the second time around either.

wrote

I didn't mean it sarcastically - I was only gigging you a bit. You
seemed to me to be genuinely attempting to add to the discussion, but I
didn't really understand what you were attempting to convey.


OK

I wasn't really replying to anyone ... or "adding to the discussion" ...
just trying to express something I've noticed about myself, I was talking to
myself more than chatting with others


That something I've noticed is that I MUCH more enjoy fishing when I'm
deeply concentrating. When I'm focused to the point where things become
'timeless' is when I most appreciate fishing. I'm sure you know what I
mean, without looking at your watch you don't know whether it's been 10
minutes or two hours since you started trying to catch that fish over there.



Since I seldom "prospect" for fish ... i.e. 'fish the water' .... when I use
a 'two fly" system it's an admission that I don't really know how BEST to
try for the fish I've spotted ( or am absolutely certain is 'home'). That
uncertainty reduces my confidence and concentration and, therefore, pleasure
in the pursuit. The other times I resort to two flies are times when
"prospecting" seems less boring than just leaving ... but I'm usually
wrong, it's not less boring, and I quit soon. I am NOT much of a fisherman,
that is I am NOT too motivated by 'catching fish,' per se, so I'm not that
drawn to techniques that "work" but I don't find pleasure in using.



BOTH fishing a dry when I'm certain a good presentation /pattern combo will
get eaten AND fishing a nymph with similar faith are FAR more pleasurable
for me than fishing both at the same time, just hoping one or the other will
appeal to my prey. The reason revolves around the effect "hedging your
bets" has on my mind, and is not a reflection of tangle problems or fish
catching 'efficiency'. .



Catching the fish is only the most obvious goal, but the tangents are
usually more important to ME. One of those tangents is the fierce
predatory concentration that comes to me when I'm certain, "If I do this
right, this fly and this technique WILL catch that fish." I can't seem
to conger up that level of focus fishing two flies at one time.



there ya go, clear as the lower Mississippi during run off G

Larry L wrote:

...I wasn't really replying to anyone ... or "adding to the discussion" ...
just trying to express something I've noticed about myself, I was talking to
myself more than chatting with others

Our fault entirely. Somebody should have told you that this is a public
forum and when you tap tap tap on the keyboa.....um.....oh,
****......never mind.

Wolfgang
ok......yeah......i've been tokin' on absinthe and latifah all wee wee
wee weekend......what?.....did i miss sumpthin'?

Not sure if you read Jerry Kustich's "A Wisp in the Wind"
He describes in one of the chapters about multi rigging, which he doesn't
do very often.
But in this case he landed a lunker on a double rig, and just has he
grabbed the line or fish to unhook
and release, the fish took off and the 2nd rig caught him in the hand.
He describes it as one of the most painful experiences in fishing.
fwiw,
-tom


My hand hurts just thinking abou that! Thrb-throb-throb.

Jeremy Moe

Larry L wrote:

...I wasn't really replying to anyone ... I was talking to
myself more than chatting with others....

Our fault entirely. I guess somebody should have told you that this is
public forum......and when you tap on the keyboa......um.....oh,
****.....never mind.

Wolfgang
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:09:45 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote

I didn't mean it sarcastically - I was only gigging you a bit. You
seemed to me to be genuinely attempting to add to the discussion, but I
didn't really understand what you were attempting to convey.


OK

I wasn't really replying to anyone ... or "adding to the discussion" ...
just trying to express something I've noticed about myself, I was talking to
myself more than chatting with others


You were adding. It's not as if the 'Net has many formal rules.
Anyone talking about how and why they do things is generally adding to
the discussion. You put things more clearly in this post, but I was
able to understand your first one.
--

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Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 07:46:18 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I learned a new cast called the Figure 8, some of you may already know this
one. It's used when you have obstruction behind you and throwing big flies
or weighted line when the roll cast just won't cut it. I have also use it
for throwing dry flies as well. For a right hander, I raise the rod to an
angle and make a circular motion counter clockwise in a loop. As the line
comes around, I make the 2nd loop, sort of a sweeping motion on the opposite
side (left shoulder), underneath in a clockwise direction which anchors the
line in the water and loads the rod. I then shoot the line towards the
target. It's a variation of a spey movement, a very pretty figure 8 cast
when done right, but also quite effective.



I'm always game to try new cast with a single handed rod. If anyone would
like to share casting techniques, please do so.

fwiw,

-tom




Herb Spannagl has a short clip on
http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/to...ollcast2.shtml
demonstrating a technique he uses on the Tongariro. Primarily used to
cast a two fly rig upstream. The top fly is a Taupo Bomb incorporating
tungsten eyes and plenty of lead wire, while the dropper (tied to the
Bomb) is either a size 12 - 14 natural nymph or a small glo bug. A
large yarn indicator (visible in the clip) is at the union of the fly
line and a 12' - 18' trace.
Jim