Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?

"Opus" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is
at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this
audience.

Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS?

According to the information presented he

http://topuertorico.org/government.shtml

Puerto Ricans can't vote for president. I'd be careful about drawing hard
and fast conclusions, but it seems to me that if you can't vote for it is
unlikely that you can be.

Samoans, on the other hand (or, at least the ones I've seen) tend to be
large and rather fierce looking. I'm not going to tell them what they may
or may not do or be.

Wolfgang

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:16:22 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

GM wrote:

... I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?

Don't worry about Barack Obama's fighting ability. He's won,
and lost, elections for the Illinois legislature and Illinois
politics is anything but genteel.

Er, yeah...he's the regular Fightin' Illini of politics...and in his
last "game," the opposition sent the cheerleaders, but forgot to bring
the actual team to the stadium...

Conan The Librarian wrote in news:elp2ei$11bm$1
@news.swt.edu:

Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.

Not that I disagree with you, but evidently at least one big name on
the right has a different take. It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be
elected in 2008 and will tab Obama as her veep:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=28995

Of course he goes on to blame it on the media working in concert
with a "liberal coalition" run by Carville, Blumenthal, Begala and Ickes.

He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on
his part)



He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks will be
strong on prison reform.

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Scott
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Conan The Librarian wrote:
It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be
elected in 2008 and will tab Obama as her veep:

I would humbly suggest that taking anything the bugman says at face
value would be foolish.

Joe F.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Opus" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation
is
at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this
audience.

Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS?

According to the information presented he

http://topuertorico.org/government.shtml

Puerto Ricans can't vote for president. I'd be careful about drawing hard
and fast conclusions, but it seems to me that if you can't vote for it is
unlikely that you can be.

I found that same info, basically, when I searched. I too thought that if
Puerto Ricans were unable to vote for POTUS that they might be denied the
right to become POTUS, if it is in fact a right, that is?

I've not been able to find any thing definitive on the subject. the U.S.
Constitution just says:

Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States.
http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/in...p?id=3085#7662

There is this also:

Persons born in Puerto Rico acquire U.S. citizenship under 8 U.S.C. 1402,
which is part of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act. This is statutory
citizenship rather than citizenship arising from birth or naturalization in
a state of the union under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/iss...nship-en.shtml

XIV Amendment
Section 1


The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other
election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice
President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied
or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay
any poll tax or other tax.
http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/in...p?id=3085#7662


Samoans, on the other hand (or, at least the ones I've seen) tend to be
large and rather fierce looking. I'm not going to tell them what they may
or may not do or be.


I'm with ya on this one!

Op --just curious about this, more than anything.--



Wolfgang

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".

Well this alone assures him of my vote!

Op

Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on his
part)

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks will
be
strong on prison reform.

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Scott

I sure hope he gets the chance to find out about prison culture!

Op

"Opus" wrote in :


"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks
will be
strong on prison reform.

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Scott

I sure hope he gets the chance to find out about prison culture!

Op




You and me both, Op. Even better if they can get him in a TX state
facility.

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Scott
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:33:17 -0500, GM wrote:

Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.

The buzz around Barack is happening too early and he realizes this, as
evidenced in his own comments at last week's NH book signing, town-hall
thing.

Or his Bears' pregame "announcement"...

His flame could burn bright and brief, at least for the 08
contest. I do like his message though: amongst other things, the
audacious hope that a campaign can be fought with a respect for the
opponent. I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?

If he joins up with McCain, they could both ignore whoever the opponents
wind up being. If it does wind up being he and Hillary in a contest for
Dem nominee, he won't need to "go negative" - the GOP and everyone else
to the right of, oh, say, Michael Moore will do it for him. And
speaking of idiots, Hillary and the Clintonistas seem to be right on
schedule to **** up Hillary's chances by continuing to do what they do -
attempting to rat**** _anyone_, including the voters, that they see as
"in the way."

If he's the Dem nominee, his objective negatives (no real experience, no
real record at any level - no "yardstick"), combined with subjective
negatives (he's a Dem, he's too black, he's not black enough, he's not
"liberal"/"conservative" enough, he's too "liberal"/ "conservative,"
he's too young, etc.), will likely combine to get him defeated THIS TIME
if the GOP puts up anyone short of maybe Pat Robertson. If it's McCain,
Obama's done. They are both, as pols go, good men, but McCain has the
name and the record, and if he goes (really) negative on McCain, he's
_really_ done. IMO, though, if they are steering their own ships,
neither would go unduly (and subjectively) negative on the other.

If he's smart, whether he joins McCain or not, he will take a page from
his playbook: don't go (subjectively) negative _against anyone_ and be
thought of as one of the "good guys" by the entire center.

And anyone wanna bet that Hillary (or her campaign) will bring up his
skin color at least once?

R

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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You and me both, Op. Even better if they can get him in a TX state
facility.

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Scott

Sadly, you and I both know he isn't likely to get any prison time and if he
did it would be in a Club Fed facility. That's the way the system works,
when you are connected politically or you have wealth.

Think Michael Milkin and Ivan Boesky!

"in Wall Street's biggest criminal prosecution ever, 98 indictments of fraud
and racketeering were brought against Milkin. On April 14, 1990 Milkin was
sentenced to ten years in jail and agreed to pay $600 million in fines."
http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/...93_167702.html

Milkin entered a minimum-security facility at Pleasanton, California in
1991. Two years later he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and his prison
sentence was reduced to time served. He was given 12 to 18 months to live.
Milkin established Cap CURE, and raised $75 million to fund research into
finding a cure for prostate cancer. In 1996 he and his brother Lowell
founded Knowledge Universe, an educational services company which in a few
years time was logging $1.5 billion in sales annually. In 1997 the Milkin
Institute, an economics think tank, was created. The following year,
Milkin's The Taste for Living Cookbook became a bestseller.
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id316.htm

On May 18, 1986 Ivan Boesky gave the commencement address at Milkin's alma
mater, the University of California at Berkeley's business school. "I think
greed is healthy," he told his enthusiastic audience. "You can be greedy
and still feel good about yourself." A few months later Boesky was indicted
on the charges that would land him in Southern California's Lompoc Federal
Prison, also known as Club Fed West.
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id316.htm


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