Put and Kill -so disgusting

From: Ken Fortenberry

Huh yourself, a little brown wooly bugger looks EXACTLY like the trout chow
pellets I watched them feed to the stockers at the hatchery near the Montauk
trout park in Missouri.

Well, the pellets they feed them around here are about 1/4" dia by 5/16" long
and are greyish tan in color. Also, they float...not exactly well imitated by a
bugger.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

From: "Paul Goodwin"


So that begs the question why would anyone go fishing after freshly stocked
trout unless they wanted to stroke their ego or to stock a freezer.

Well, it ain't much of an ego stroker, so it must be to stock the freezer. Kind
of hard to avoid that situation on C&R water, though. I usually fish areas
where they don't normally stock, if I know a stream has been freshly planted.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

It does not really matter, in my mind, as long as people eat them and have
fun doing it. It is now different than buying fish from the grocery store
except that you get to enjoy being outside rather than standing in line at
the store.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"Gene C" wrote in message
om...
I find this extremely depressing on many levels.

I was out of town for a couple of days in the middle of last week. I
got home and knew that they were supposed to complete the fall
stocking for Elk Creek in Cecil County Maryland. They did. On Friday
afternoon they completed it. They put a lot of nice fish in the
creek. Me, and two other fly fisherman must have a caught a dozen
fish. Most of them were in the 12 to 15 inch range. That was
amazing! Even more amazing was the fact that within a couple of hours
of going into the water they were going after woolly buggers! Of the
12 or so fish we caught, one guy kept one.

I fished again on Sunday for a while and the vast majority of the fish
were gone! One guy had 5 real nice ones on a stringer laying in
shallow water.

Now I know put-and-take has it's place in fisheries management but
these fish could have been there all winter. The water temps are
right. The food might be a little scarce for that many fish but we
could have had fun catching them for the next 5 months!

I'm not a fan of PETA but I also see no point in pushing fish to a
slow death of suffocation.

Maybe I'm misguided but that mentality seems so selfish, so short
sighted? I know this is the reality but..? Maybe all streams should
have delayed harvest for a couple of weeks after stocking. That would
allow the people who want to CATCH fish a chance to do so before the
meat men arrive and yank them all out of the water for good.
Any comments?

"Paul Goodwin" wrote in message
...


In my experience freshly stocked trout will attack anything with a
lot of
action and/or flash.

which brings to mind an experience that has always puzzled me. couple
years ago i was fishing the hatchery supported section of snowbird with my
youngest son, and as we geared up beside a beautiful run under a bridge that
ran about 10 feet above the creek, up drives the stocking truck, and the
guys start literally dumping trout from nets into the water. the fish made
belly flop sounds as they cascaded into the waist deep run. off goes the
truck, and ol' anthony says, sheepishly, "i don't suppose it would be right
to try to catch them, would it, dad?" to which i responded, "hell, son, the
only reason they are in the water is to be caught!", and told him to have at
it. i watched him as he manufactured one excellent float after another
right over the noses of several of the fish, who were lined up, facing
upstream, just sort of treading water. nothing doing. i finally applied my
(ahem!) deft, artful touch to the t&t, time after time, to no avail. long
story short: we tried six or eight combinations of dry flies, nymphs, and
boogers, and never moved a single fish.

explanations?

yfitons
wayno

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
What's amazing about that ? A wooly bugger is a spot on imitation
of a trout chow pellet.

Never would have made that association. When I stayed at a resort in NY
state (Mohonk), they had a coin-operated machine tourists could use to buy
little pellets to feed the trout in the lake adjacent to the pavilion. Big
trout. Huge trout. Well-fed trout. In successfully resisting the
temptation, however, I decided the closest imitation in my box would have
been a size 12 GRHE. Right size, right color.

Joe F.

(Gene C) wrote in message...
I find this extremely depressing on many levels.

I was out of town for a couple of days in the middle of last week. I
got home and knew that they were supposed to complete the fall
stocking for Elk Creek in Cecil County Maryland. They did. On Friday
afternoon they completed it. They put a lot of nice fish in the
creek. Me, and two other fly fisherman must have a caught a dozen
fish. Most of them were in the 12 to 15 inch range. That was
amazing! Even more amazing was the fact that within a couple of hours
of going into the water they were going after woolly buggers! Of the
12 or so fish we caught, one guy kept one.

So it's OK for you to follow the stocking truck...

I fished again on Sunday for a while and the vast majority of the fish
were gone! One guy had 5 real nice ones on a stringer laying in
shallow water.

But not OK for this guy. And I'll bet that this uncouth savage wasn't
even fly fishing. Did he have all of his teeth?

Now I know put-and-take has it's place in fisheries management but
these fish could have been there all winter. The water temps are
right. The food might be a little scarce for that many fish but we
could have had fun catching them for the next 5 months!

Do you have any idea how few trout anglers will wet a line over then
next five months? I'd bet that it's a *very* small minority.

I'm not a fan of PETA but I also see no point in pushing fish to a
slow death of suffocation.

??? Are you refering to the stringer? Many anglers whack 'em on the
head before they put 'em on the stringer. Did you see fish struggling
against the stringer? Even so, statistically speaking, one of the
fish you or your buddies C&R'd on Friday likely died as a C&R
mortality.

Maybe I'm misguided but that mentality seems so selfish, so short
sighted? I know this is the reality but?.? Maybe all streams should
have delayed harvest for a couple of weeks after stocking. That would
allow the people who want to CATCH fish a chance to do so before the
meat men arrive and yank them all out of the water for good.
Any comments?

Selfish & Shortsighted. Welcome to America, buddy. Sounds to me like
you CAUGHT just as many fish on Friday as the 'meat man' did on
Sunday--and at least HE had the courtesy to give the fish 48 hours out
of the stocking truck before he did it.

All cynicism & sarcasm aside, the state stocks those fish to sell
licenses. Did the 'meat man' have a license? If so, then the state
got exactly what they wanted in exchange for those fish. You can rail
against this system all you'd like, but I doubt that you'll change
much. The put & take system exists to sell licenses and thereby
employ as many state workers as possible in a futile endeavor. The
socio-political reality of stocking has practically nothing to do with
fish, fishing, watersheds, ecosystems or conservation. It has
everything to do with money. License fees are a voluntary tax, and in
order to maximize the number of volunteers, the state puts fish in the
creeks. If you're willing to pay the tax, catch the fish and then
release them for the next licensed angler, the state thanks you.

Tom G
licensed angler

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...


explanations?

Trauma.

Wolfgang
mumble mumble unspeakable in pursuit of the indelible, mumble mumble.

"Wayne Harrison" wrote...

couple
years ago i was fishing the hatchery supported section of snowbird with my
youngest son, and as we geared up beside a beautiful run under a bridge that
ran about 10 feet above the creek, up drives the stocking truck, and the
guys start literally dumping trout from nets into the water. the fish made
belly flop sounds as they cascaded into the waist deep run. off goes the
truck, and ol' anthony says, sheepishly, "i don't suppose it would be right
to try to catch them, would it, dad?" to which i responded, "hell, son, the
only reason they are in the water is to be caught!", and told him to have at
it. i watched him as he manufactured one excellent float after another
right over the noses of several of the fish, who were lined up, facing
upstream, just sort of treading water. nothing doing. i finally applied my
(ahem!) deft, artful touch to the t&t, time after time, to no avail. long
story short: we tried six or eight combinations of dry flies, nymphs, and
boogers, and never moved a single fish.

Let's drop YOU from a truck in a belly flop and see if YOU'RE hungry!

When they're first stocked / dropped like that, they're usually just in a shock
mode. If you had been there the next day, chances are it would have been a
different story.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Yes,
1. Stocked trout don't belong in any water where natural reproduction is
possible.
2. Only Catch and Release should be allowed in these waters.
I came across a bunch of hatchery trout in a lake that people were trying
to catch. I told them to throw a hand full of small gravel at them. They
did, which sent the fish into a feeding frenzy and they started catching
them. I walked away in disgust and wondered if any of the people knew what
it was like to catch a real trout with a full set of fins.
Ernie

"Gene C" wrote
Even more amazing was the fact that within a couple of hours
of going into the water they were going after woolly buggers!
Any comments?

Why be disgusted at something that gives people pleasure? Happy people are
nicer to be around Relatively harmless activity in most states where
put and take stocking occurs where natives would not exist anyway.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine



www.outdoorsmagazine.net
"Ernie" wrote in message
. ..
Yes,
1. Stocked trout don't belong in any water where natural reproduction is
possible.
2. Only Catch and Release should be allowed in these waters.
I came across a bunch of hatchery trout in a lake that people were
trying
to catch. I told them to throw a hand full of small gravel at them. They
did, which sent the fish into a feeding frenzy and they started catching
them. I walked away in disgust and wondered if any of the people knew
what
it was like to catch a real trout with a full set of fins.
Ernie

"Gene C" wrote
Even more amazing was the fact that within a couple of hours
of going into the water they were going after woolly buggers!
Any comments?