Put and Kill -so disgusting

"Ernie" wrote in message
.. .
Wolfie,
Don't tell me some one actually eats hatchery trout!
Ernie




Wolfgang
sometimes, all you can do with really beauty is just smile at it.

"Ernie" wrote in message
y.com...

.....For some reason our nearsighted Fish and Game and National Forest
Service
can't see the advantage of having clear running streams with stable banks
and clean water with natural reproducing fish......

The problem goes well beyond the auspices of a few federal or state
agencies, all the way back to the institution of a form of government that
allows the putative elected representatives of ranchers, loggers, miners,
professional guides, and sundry other multi-generational welfare parasites
to have a voice equal to (and all too often greater than) that of rational
human beings. It ain't gonna go away soon......or, not without some much
needed bloodshed, anyway.

Wolfgang
but hell, that ain't ****....just wait till the water wars start!

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:
Let's drop YOU from a truck in a belly flop and see if YOU'RE hungry!

When they're first stocked / dropped like that, they're usually just in a shock
mode. If you had been there the next day, chances are it would have been a
different story.

Empirical Counterpoint: I helped Mass F&W do some stocking work a few times
when I was a much younger flyfishingperson. The first time they stocked the
Otter River (after many years off their stocking route) we put 600 browns and
rainbows in via float pens lashed to canoes. It took a couple of hours to do
the three-odd miles.

When we returned to the put-in we had to cross a bridge over the river.
On that bridge were a handful of locals, a couple of which were already
gutting out a few trout.

One of them pointed out the trout were packed full of debris - small stones,
sticks, etc. The nitwit fish were gorging on whatever items they spotted - if
it didn't look like part of a concrete tank, and they could cram it through
their mouths, they ate it...

So it would seem it wasn't that the trouties wouldn't "eat", it was they
already "ate", too well.

/daytripper (next time tie up a realistic "stone fly")

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

//snip//
upstream, just sort of treading water. nothing doing. i finally applied
my
(ahem!) deft, artful touch to the t&t, time after time, to no avail. long
story short: we tried six or eight combinations of dry flies, nymphs, and
boogers, and never moved a single fish.

explanations?

yfitons
wayno

Maybe they were 'under the influence'. Anybody we know in the cabin or was
there a clave in progress upstream?

Bob
Who's been skunked in Missouri's trout parks.

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0400, "Tim J."

[snip]

One of them pointed out the trout were packed full of debris - small
stones,
sticks, etc. The nitwit fish were gorging on whatever items they spotted -
if
it didn't look like part of a concrete tank, and they could cram it
through
their mouths, they ate it...

So it would seem it wasn't that the trouties wouldn't "eat", it was they
already "ate", too well.

/daytripper (next time tie up a realistic "stone fly")

They probably weren't taking those off of the stream bed. One day after
float stocking (the same river I'd bet) I saw some of the meat fishermen
toss out their power bait and toss a handfull of small pebbles over it.
Aparently the splashing was like feeding time and they always got a hook up.

I've heard of the same thing happening at White's.

Paul

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:23:59 -0400, "Paul Goodwin"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:04:26 -0400, "Tim J."

[snip]

One of them pointed out the trout were packed full of debris - small
stones,
sticks, etc. The nitwit fish were gorging on whatever items they spotted -
if
it didn't look like part of a concrete tank, and they could cram it
through
their mouths, they ate it...

So it would seem it wasn't that the trouties wouldn't "eat", it was they
already "ate", too well.

/daytripper (next time tie up a realistic "stone fly")

They probably weren't taking those off of the stream bed. One day after
float stocking (the same river I'd bet) I saw some of the meat fishermen
toss out their power bait and toss a handfull of small pebbles over it.
Aparently the splashing was like feeding time and they always got a hook up.

I've heard of the same thing happening at White's.

It was the opinion of the head of the central mass f&w hatchery program that
fresh stockers will eat anything they can fit in their mouths, and that it
took a couple of weeks before they would figure out what gave them energy and
what didn't...

Couple that with the fact that those fish gutters came over to us and asked
about the stones and sticks (and cigarette filter and bottle cap) and why
these fish were eating all that stuff, and I suspect I'll go with the f&w dude
on this issue...

/daytripper (but that's just me ;-)

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
m...

"Paul Goodwin" wrote in message
...


In my experience freshly stocked trout will attack anything with a
lot of
action and/or flash.

which brings to mind an experience that has always puzzled me. couple
years ago i was fishing the hatchery supported section of snowbird with my
youngest son, and as we geared up beside a beautiful run under a bridge
that
ran about 10 feet above the creek, up drives the stocking truck, and the
guys start literally dumping trout from nets into the water. the fish
made
belly flop sounds as they cascaded into the waist deep run. off goes the
truck, and ol' anthony says, sheepishly, "i don't suppose it would be
right
to try to catch them, would it, dad?" to which i responded, "hell, son,
the
only reason they are in the water is to be caught!", and told him to have
at
it. i watched him as he manufactured one excellent float after another
right over the noses of several of the fish, who were lined up, facing
upstream, just sort of treading water. nothing doing. i finally applied
my
(ahem!) deft, artful touch to the t&t, time after time, to no avail. long
story short: we tried six or eight combinations of dry flies, nymphs, and
boogers, and never moved a single fish.

explanations?


Sure. Same reason that whoever just got out of the ring with Tyson or Lewis
doens't rush right over to the best restaurant in town for a top-notch meal.

--riverman

Wolfgang wrote:


explanations?


Trauma.



vaudeville

Willi wrote:



My first though would be: "How can I get laid", but then I'm a man,
not a
fish.


Depending on the time of year, that's high on a fish's priorities too.
This morning I saw a huge Brown in the irrigation ditch that runs on my
property going through the motions of spawning even though she? had no
mate.


quoting mr. seidman, "the described scene somewhat describes some of my
intimate encounters already!"

i agree. we need more conveniently-placed, handicap-accessible put and
take fisheries.

jeff

James Ehlers wrote:

Why be disgusted at something that gives people pleasure? Happy people are
nicer to be around Relatively harmless activity in most states where
put and take stocking occurs where natives would not exist anyway.