Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan



"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Roger I must be mad.......

Excellent, we will support you in any way we can on the path you've
chosen.

Roger #1. We try for a place as remote as possible.
Roger #2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps
Roger in Sweden.
Roger #3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and
Roger reachable by car.

The more I think of it, any of the three options feels pretty damn
good to me. All have their pros and cons, so I'm flexible. I guess
it's really up to the list of potential participants. If there are
people who would, for example, not be willing to stay in a tent, then
I'd vote for some place with a cabin (so #2 or #3).

However, I don't think I'd want to pay for both a flight and a cabin,
so if you decided to choose #2, I'd prefer staying in a tent.

In any case, I'm in regardless of what you decide. I'm also planning a
pre-clave or an after-clave trip to Norway, if anyone is interested
(trout / sea-going charr / salmon).

--
Jarmo Hurri

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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.


First thoughts: any of the above sounds good to me. As I'm flying up from
Congo, the less I need to carry (tents, sleeping bags, etc), the better;
however, I realize that using tents, etc. means there are more options of
where to go. If we went with a remote fly-in, I'd consider buying something
fairly inexpensive and leaving it with someone after the clave.

The first week in August would have to be the latest for me....I think I
have to be back in Congo on August 10. Theres a chance it might be a week
later, and if so, I'll let you know.

Char is good. Remote is good. Is there an option #4: remote fly-in to a less
expensive/exclusive lodge than Miekak? This is a big step up in cost from
last year.

--riverman

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
...


I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman

The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan

"riverman" wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in message
...


I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps
at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams
drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Tempting.......
This would mean a Lapland clave where I would not be clavemeister (Finnish
Lapland).

However, If Jarmo doesn't jump at the opportunity, I think I'll stay with
Swedish Lapland. It would after all simplify arranging things, at least for
me.

/Roger

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I
have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter,
as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually
this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or
the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in
Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to
about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by
car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be
fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village
in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the
interested
I'll
try to answer those.


First thoughts: any of the above sounds good to me. As I'm flying up from
Congo, the less I need to carry (tents, sleeping bags, etc), the better;
however, I realize that using tents, etc. means there are more options of
where to go. If we went with a remote fly-in, I'd consider buying
something
fairly inexpensive and leaving it with someone after the clave.

The first week in August would have to be the latest for me....I think I
have to be back in Congo on August 10. Theres a chance it might be a week
later, and if so, I'll let you know.

Char is good. Remote is good. Is there an option #4: remote fly-in to a
less
expensive/exclusive lodge than Miekak? This is a big step up in cost from
last year.

--riverman

There are three different lodges that I can think of, one of them even more
expensive than Miekak and the other at the same cost level.
I put this post in to find out what opinions people might have about this
years clave. In the end I have to decide one destination and I'm not likely
to satisfy each and everyones wish.
I'm constantly looking at options but have yet to find a new #4 category of
choice.
It's early yet.......

/Roger

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
...
Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might
have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you
take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are
plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would
not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser
know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there to
help with the decision.

/Roger