OhTee: Hammered, bedraggled and outcoached - but *still* undefeated!

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message news:...

"daytripper" wrote in message
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If I was Belichick I'd fire McDaniels first thing tomorrow. TERRIBLE play
calling throughout the second half -

Makes me wonder what you thought of Josh before the last two games when
they were blowing teams out by +37.
The Ravens should be thanking Jim Johnson for his blueprints.
But I've got to hand it to Rex Ryan's D, and the Lewis Hype. The look on
Ray's face after they snuffed Brady on 4th &1 on a senseless T-Out
call...priceless.
The Shula-factor...powerful stuff.
-tom

I'll add...wouldn't that be something if Miami loses the next two and the
Pats keep rolling for their showdown on Dec. 23, in Foxborough.
Tell ol Donnie to keep that Champagne on ice.
-tom

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:53:06 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message news:...

"daytripper" wrote in message
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If I was Belichick I'd fire McDaniels first thing tomorrow. TERRIBLE play
calling throughout the second half -

Makes me wonder what you thought of Josh before the last two games when
they were blowing teams out by +37.

I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and more...

The Ravens should be thanking Jim Johnson for his blueprints.
But I've got to hand it to Rex Ryan's D, and the Lewis Hype. The look on
Ray's face after they snuffed Brady on 4th &1 on a senseless T-Out
call...priceless.
The Shula-factor...powerful stuff.
-tom

Shula is a dumbass with a big mouth, trying to amplify his legacy. He keeps
showing up at Pats games and making an obnoxious nitwit of himself - which,
considering the ESPN and NFLN gangs of morons, is an easy fit.

I'll add...wouldn't that be something if Miami loses the next two and the
Pats keep rolling for their showdown on Dec. 23, in Foxborough.
Tell ol Donnie to keep that Champagne on ice.
-tom

What do you think the spread is gonna be for that game - after Miami got
totally croaked by the freakin' J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS this week? ;-)

Shula ought to sell the champers now and avoid the price plunge...

/daytripper (The Shula Factor? ahahahahahahahaha!)

On Dec 4, 1:24 pm, daytripper wrote:
What do you think the spread is gonna be for that game - after Miami got
totally croaked by the freakin' J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS this week? ;-)

The potential beauty of the 12/23 game is that should both teams
maintain their streaks until then, the Pats have a chance to go 15-0
by pushing the the last 14-0 team to 0-15.

The fish could have a tough time keeping the streak alive against the
Ravens, though.

Joe F.

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:53:06 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message news:...

"daytripper" wrote in message
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If I was Belichick I'd fire McDaniels first thing tomorrow. TERRIBLE
play
calling throughout the second half -

Makes me wonder what you thought of Josh before the last two games when
they were blowing teams out by +37.

I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!


The Ravens should be thanking Jim Johnson for his blueprints.
But I've got to hand it to Rex Ryan's D, and the Lewis Hype. The look on
Ray's face after they snuffed Brady on 4th &1 on a senseless T-Out
call...priceless.
The Shula-factor...powerful stuff.
-tom

Shula is a dumbass with a big mouth, trying to amplify his legacy. He
keeps
showing up at Pats games and making an obnoxious nitwit of himself -
which,
considering the ESPN and NFLN gangs of morons, is an easy fit.

I'm sure he's pround of the "Perfect Season Record:" wouldn't anybody?


I'll add...wouldn't that be something if Miami loses the next two and the
Pats keep rolling for their showdown on Dec. 23, in Foxborough.
Tell ol Donnie to keep that Champagne on ice.
-tom

What do you think the spread is gonna be for that game - after Miami got
totally croaked by the freakin' J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS this week? ;-)

I hope it's +45 and the Dolphins spoil the show.


Shula ought to sell the champers now and avoid the price plunge..

What's wrong with NutriSystem?
-tom

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots with *a
lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots with
*a
lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A. Yup
signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

You're talking about the Erhardt/Perkins offensive system, which is the same
offense the Pats use today...nothing really new. What changes are they
calling in offensive plays from the those Super Bowl years? The only
difference I see is the acquisition of Moss, who made a huge difference in
opening up the offense.
As Brady says: "My job is easy, I just throw it up there and Randy makes the
play. " Sure makes the Raiders look bad.
-tom

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A.
Yup signs of an excellent offensive coordinator

actually, living proof that college football and the coaching thereof, is
completely different from pro football. Charlie is teaching kids now, not
working with experienced professionals. His team now has 60 guys who have to
go to school, and Notre Dame actually makes them take real courses(compared
to most). His Pats teams could devote 60 hours a week to game planning, if
need be.
Tom

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots with
*a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A. Yup
signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to you?
Doesn't buy him any credibility with you? My, my, my....and tsk tsk.

There's a world of difference between the offensive coordinator of a pro ball
team that you helped recruit, and being head coach of a college team full of
someone else's recruiting efforts. It would be more rational to expect he
doesn't get to devote his every waking moment to offensive planning now,
considering all of the other responsibilities on his plate. Or maybe you don't
realize the scope of his job?

You're talking about the Erhardt/Perkins offensive system, which is the same
offense the Pats use today...nothing really new. What changes are they
calling in offensive plays from the those Super Bowl years? The only
difference I see is the acquisition of Moss, who made a huge difference in
opening up the offense.

Yikes! Is that really all you can see from where you are? Try squinting ;-)
I'm sure all the other new players you missed are heart broken, but they've
gotten along pretty well anyway. And I disagree with your assessment of the
"system" in use this season, it's about night-and-day different from last year
- pretty much due to all those players you missed, along with Moss.

As Brady says: "My job is easy, I just throw it up there and Randy makes the
play. " Sure makes the Raiders look bad.
-tom

Well, the Raiders are still bad, so I guess that theory doesn't work too well.
And while the quote is correct, it would be unbelievably simplistic to believe
that describes the system or the season...But you'd have to actually have
watched all of the games for the last many years to know that...

/daytripper
(Maybe we can buy CW out of that contract extension and set ND free? ;-)

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"

wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who
made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's
play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots
with
*a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A.
Yup
signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to
you?

Why should it mean anything to me?

Doesn't buy him any credibility with you? My, my, my....and tsk tsk.

Not looking to buy credibility, and wouldn't take it if it was free.


There's a world of difference between the offensive coordinator of a pro
ball
team that you helped recruit, and being head coach of a college team full
of
someone else's recruiting efforts.

I'm not denying that there isn't.


It would be more rational to expect he
doesn't get to devote his every waking moment to offensive planning now,
considering all of the other responsibilities on his plate. Or maybe you
don't
realize the scope of his job?

I'm sure "you" realize the scope of his job at Notre Dame, I'll let you
worry
about it. I could care less who coaches the Irish.

You're talking about the Erhardt/Perkins offensive system, which is the
same
offense the Pats use today...nothing really new. What changes are they
calling in offensive plays from the those Super Bowl years? The only
difference I see is the acquisition of Moss, who made a huge difference in
opening up the offense.

Yikes! Is that really all you can see from where you are? Try squinting
;-)

Why should I squint? The Pats have been running the Erhardt/Perkins
offensive system since the Parcell days, that's where Weis learned the
system.

I'm sure all the other new players you missed are heart broken, but
they've
gotten along pretty well anyway.

If they're heart broken, I'm sure they can find a crying towel, but who's
heart broken, they're undefeated.


And I disagree with your assessment of the
"system" in use this season, it's about night-and-day different from last
year
- pretty much due to all those players you missed, along with Moss.

Every NFL team has a "system" , but I thought you knew that.


As Brady says: "My job is easy, I just throw it up there and Randy makes
the play. " Sure makes the Raiders look bad.


Well, the Raiders are still bad, so I guess that theory doesn't work too
well.

Flew over your head; My statement of "Sure makes the Raiders look bad" is
that all they had to do is throw the ball up and Randy would make the play.
Raiders couldn't even do that. They also said Moss was washed up.
So yes I'll stand by my statement; Sure makes the Raiders look bad.


And while the quote is correct, it would be unbelievably simplistic to
believe
that describes the system or the season...But you'd have to actually have
watched all of the games for the last many years to know that...

Wait, you're the one who said you're not a fan of McDaniels, and you've been
missing Charlie Weis. So although the Pats this year have out scored their
opponents by the largest margin in the history of the NFL, makes me wonder
if you have a crying towel by your side when you think of Charlie Weis and
watch the Pats run up the score.
-tom

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this
year. When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing
offense, 112th in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in
Division 1-A. Yup signs of an excellent offensive coordinator

actually, living proof that college football and the coaching thereof, is
completely different from pro football. Charlie is teaching kids now, not
working with experienced professionals. His team now has 60 guys who have
to go to school, and Notre Dame actually makes them take real
courses(compared to most). His Pats teams could devote 60 hours a week to
game planning, if need be.
Tom

Yes, I understand that Tom, the transition from Pros to College is quite
different and there has only been a handful of successful coaches, Pete
Carroll comes to mind.
It's easy for me to get caught up in a discussion on sports, as in my
younger days I was a sports enthusiast, reciting box scores in my sleep.
Just need to take a step back and take a deep breath, it's really not worth
me arguing about it as this is still fly-fishing forum (I think).
Since then, I only watch sports as a form of entertainment and can care-less
who wins or who loses, but somehow I still enjoy the upset. My hats off to
the New England Patriots if they can go undefeated this year, as records are
made to be broken. And once again, the forgotten 1972 Miami Dolphins
resurface this late in the season.
-tom