OT -IOWA POLITICS

ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

jeff (wishin and hopin...but still cynical)

On Jan 4, 8:13*am, jeff miller wrote:
but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.

"jeff miller" wrote



but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time.

snip

, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g


One thing I've learned over the last seven years is that love is not enough.
I love my country. I've had plenty of reasons to feel the pains that love
can bring the last seven years, .... pains that affirm the love is still
strong.


But I want more than love. I want to be truly proud of that love. I
want to hold my head high when to the actions of my country are pointed
out. I want to be respected, not just feared. And, I want to feel self
respect and see it in the eyes of my neighbors.

As Jeff says, " ok, ok...i know..." but our brothers and sisters in Iowa
have made us look better in the eyes of the world ... and in my eyes.

No single president will have the time to undo all the damage done by
Bush/Cheny/Rove ... but we're headed in the correct direction, and we DO
have the will

" damn, i'm hopeful and nearly optimistic. g"

rb608 wrote:

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Obama's victory speech was a masterpiece, he's really
hitting his stride and striking all the right chords.
He's even changed the way he pronounces "poverty" to
sound reminiscent of MLK Jr. He's the real deal.

On the Repub side the GOP establishment is ****tin'
bricks about now. The snake handling rubes are supposed
to vote GOP and then disappear for four years. Huck is
their worst nightmare, the rube strategy come home to
roost.

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Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:30:55 -0800 (PST), rb608
wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:13*am, jeff miller wrote:
but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Joe F.

I'd have never guessed youse guys were such big Huckabee fans...

IAC, after coming in third, if I were, well, anyone but Hillary, I'd be
hunkered down for the assault from the "well-oiled Clintonista
machine"...

TC,
R
....I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:47:32 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

rb608 wrote:

I agree; one of the best thing about that event was the turnout. The
quantitative results weren't as I preferred, but the enthusiasm of the
participants was good to see. The punditry still sucked, and I mostly
watched the Orange Bowl instead of the verbal masturbation being
passed off as insight and analysis.

Obama's victory speech was a masterpiece, he's really
hitting his stride and striking all the right chords.
He's even changed the way he pronounces "poverty" to
sound reminiscent of MLK Jr. He's the real deal.

Uh-oh...can "sucker bets" of bottles of Scotch be far behind...?

On the Repub side the GOP establishment is ****tin'
bricks about now. The snake handling rubes are supposed
to vote GOP and then disappear for four years. Huck is
their worst nightmare, the rube strategy come home to
roost.

I think the only person ****ting bricks about now is Hillary's Iowa
manager...OTOH, they will probably be able to provide more insight on
the waterboarding issue in a week or two...assuming they are still alive
in a week or two...

HTH,
R
....and like I said, when it's done simply to "torture" someone, it is
_torture_...

On Jan 4, 9:47*am, wrote:
insight and analysis snipped

I wish the Orange Bowl were still on.

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 9:47 am, wrote:
insight and analysis snipped

I wish the Orange Bowl were still on.

There's always the Spanish language stations on T.V.

Wolfgang
to whom spanish is greek.

...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

McCain and Richardson, with either in the leadership role, is a dream
team ticket for those of us that believe the scales should be
balanced.
Frank Reid

Frank Reid wrote in news:aa327cc3-12c0-4ee5-9c89-
:


...I still say if McCain and Obama would join together, they'd be the
most electable thing going...and if McCain and Richardson would (with a
spot and a muzzle for Ron Paul on the Cabinet), it'd be the closest
thing to a "_d_emocratic ticket" the US is gonna see...

McCain and Richardson, with either in the leadership role, is a dream
team ticket for those of us that believe the scales should be
balanced.
Frank Reid


Hitting those pain killers again, are we??


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Scott
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