So, OK, he's for change, he gives Chris Mathews a feeling "up his leg," and...

Dave LaCourse wrote:
You keep on going back to the Swiftboat thingy. Neither Bob nor I
have mentioned it.

Dave, this whole "Kerry could not have witnessed" argument was
one of the unsubstantiated swiftboat allegations.

Here's an idea: why don't you bust a blood vessel and get Bob
to video tape it. You could put it on U-Tube and sell Google Ads.
And we could have a martini and have a good laugh. :-)

"salmo bytes" wrote in message
. ..

Dave, this whole "Kerry could not have witnessed" argument was
one of the unsubstantiated swiftboat allegations.
snip

OK lets ignore the knowledge of Naval Officers who were in Viet Nam at the
same time as Kerry and who were familiar with Swift boat operations (this
include me), and lets assume that Kerry didn't lie when he testified under
oath that he had witnessed all those atrocities. As a civilian who has no
direct knowledge of the military, you are probably are unaware that if he
indeed witnessed such atrocities as he testified that he did, but failed to
take any action to try to stop them, or to even report them promptly to
higher command, he committed a prosecutable ofense under the Uniform Code of
Military Justice. Don't use the excuse that he was afraid of repercussions
from the high command if he did so. Admiral Zumwalt was known far and wide
as someone who would not tolerate illegal actions by those in his command
and had the most open door policy of any Admiral I ever encountered.

Even ignoring the UCMJ legal ramifications, what does it say about his
character if he witnessed such things and didn't try to stop them or report
them in a timely manner.

So I leave it up to you as to whether he lied under oath or is a moral
coward who violated military law. There are no other options.

I can readily believe that he was told about such atrocities by others in
the organization he was speaking for when he testified before Congress, but
I am convinced that he never actually witnessed most or likely any of them,
and thus lied when he testified that he had.

I treat the oath I swore to upon becoming a Naval Officer very seriously and
thus may take a harder stance in judging the conduct of a former fellow
officer than would someone who is more inclined to treat actions such as
outright lying under oath as justifiable if the cause is "right".

Bob Weinberger

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Now, ask ME a question about laser/fiber optics - or at least
laser/fiber optics of 17 years ago when I retired. d;o)

Dave







that the supreme court majority on the main issue declared the opinion
would have no precedential value is a clue to what a clusterf**k it
really was. it was "a big bowl of wrong" all around.

and, uh, laser/fiber optics...isn't that like, uh, magic? i doubt i'll
ever have a question about either, except "damn, how did he/she do
that?" i'm just one of those guys in the stupefied section of the audience.

jeff

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:16:17 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

I wondered why those impeachment happy GOP members in the House suddenly got
cold feet myself.....

Uhhh, House is controlled by the Dems. And all the impleachment happy
members were Dems. Why haven't the Dems impeached anyone?

Dave

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:52 -0700, rw
wrote:

Such an angry, angry man you are. All those caps! Chill out. Take an
extra blood pressure pill.

Touche. Well, almost. The caps were to bring attention to the words
that Ken seems unable to read.

Dave

On 18 Feb 2008 00:54:33 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

I heard he used to hang out in German train stations

I figured you need a laugh, Dave!

Who you talkin' 'bout? Ken or Kerry?

d;o)

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:19:11 -0700, salmo bytes wrote:

...Dave also seems to lose perspective on Bush, who
was a cocaine sniffing draft dodger during this period.

Proof please. I do believe you are confusing Clinton with Bush.
Clinton's brother about cocaine, "He has a nose like a vacuum
cleaner." And it was Clinton who dodged the draft, *twice*.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:16:17 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


I wondered why those impeachment happy GOP members in the House suddenly got
cold feet myself.....


Uhhh, House is controlled by the Dems. And all the impleachment happy
members were Dems. Why haven't the Dems impeached anyone?

Dave



because they are a kinder/gentler people? g ... and, they know it's a
colossal waste of time, money, and political capital. i still think he
oughta be waterboarded instead... g

"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
OK lets ignore the knowledge of Naval Officers who were in Viet Nam at the
same time as Kerry and who were familiar with Swift boat operations (this
include me), and lets assume that Kerry didn't lie when he testified under
oath that he had witnessed all those atrocities.

I've been avoiding most of this latest round of Kerry-hate and rebuttal; but
I am a bit uninformed as to when these supposed lies took place. Are you
talking about the better-known Fulbright hearing on 4/22/71, or was there
another time he testified under oath about this stuff?

Joe F.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:02:59 -0700, salmo bytes wrote:

The guy I met in 1968 (Doug Peacock, the inspiration for Hay Duke in
the Monkey Wrench Gang) was a green beret medic, at Lang Vei
I believe. Now that I think about it, he told stories about
Khe Sahn, but never said he was there. At Lang Vei he was
....unless I (like Andy Petitte the other day) "miss-heard."

You do know that Khe Sahn was a seige, don't you? The three
battalions of III Marines were under seige for about two months or so.
Six thousand against 20,000 NVA. There was no hand to hand combat, no
atrocities of civilians because the only ones inside the wire were
wives of the SVN Army troops that fought with the Marines. No
atrocities occured at Khe Sahn. If he wasn't there, how the hell
does he know what happened? Your story is poor bull****.

Dave