So, OK, he's for change, he gives Chris Mathews a feeling "up his leg," and...

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:07:32 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

They saw it
with their own eyes on CNN. ;-)

Bob obviously was mistaken about the CNN remark, and if you will read
his words, he was not sure it was CNN. It *was* televised, and Kerry
did lie. He did not witness any atrocities in VN, and if he did, and
did not report it or stop it, then he is as guilty as the person who
committed the atrocity. In short, he saw NO atrocities but got the
idea from members of the VNVAW wannabees who weren't even *in* VN.

Kerry lied and people died. Kerry gave comfort to the enemy by
telling those lies simply to pad his own nest. Kerry gave comfort to
the enemy by surreptitiously meeting with the North Viet Nam
delegation in Paris, *while in uniform*. That was a traitorous act.

Dave

wrote in message
...


Look, I'm willing to give the man a chance if someone is willing to give
me a rational, objective reason as to why I should...

From the pathological liars are funny desk to your eyes, boys and girls.
Read 'em and shriek.

Wolfgang

Joe, I heard the term "jungle fever" long before Spike Lee made a
movie about it. It was never a derogatory or racist remark in MY
military. I served with many Army types including blacks and the term
was not a racist one. I think it unfair to label Richard a racist for
using the term.

Just my $0.02.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
They saw it
with their own eyes on CNN. ;-)

Bob obviously was mistaken about the CNN remark, and if you will read
his words, he was not sure it was CNN. It *was* televised, and Kerry
did lie. ...

No he didn't. You and Bob can, and doubtless will, repeat that
lie over and over in the face of incontrovertible facts but it
will never be anything more than Swiftboat slander. Shame on the
both of you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:08:58 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:42:27 -0700, salmo bytes wrote:

I'm still waiting for that blood vessel video Bob. I think it's great
idea. We're talking about what happened 40 years ago. What what's his
name (Hay Duke)

said about Khe Sahn wasn't what happened reports,

That sentence makes little sense.

it had to do with his constiracy theory about why we risked those
marine lives in the first place...recreating Dien Ben Fu in an
unwinnable way.

Well, in the first place it is Dien Bien Phu.

Yeah, Dien Ben Fu is a Asian porn star...or a brand of nuc mam, I can't
remember which...

(provided you know the difference between a batalian and a
division, of course. Hint: several batalians make up a brigade and a
division is made up of several brigades.) d;o) Pretty neat trick for
three batalians to hold off two divisions, but the tactical aspect of
that is certainly lost with your jaundiced brain.

Um, "batalians," General Patton?

OK, OK, but you were sorta asking for it...

TC,
R

On Feb 18, 7:58*am, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:

At this point in time, I don't remember which hearing it was. *I just
remember watching his testimony on, I believe, CNN and staring at the tube
in disbelief upon hearing him swear to what I knew to be lies.

I have no doubt that Kerry testified to stuff that sounded
unbelievable at the time, because it *was* unbelievable that our
government would lie to us, that the war wasn't going as we were told,
that our boys in uniform could commit atrocities; but everything he
said in the Senate hearing that day was true and subsequently
validated as the facts became known. The whole swiftboating issue of
lies and distortions is far larger than we'll ever solve here with
discussion or facts; but at least one facet is thus far clear:
Kerry's televised testimony before the Senate hearing was factually
correct. He did not lie under oath at that hearing.

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip Bush was re-elected by a wide margin because you boys put a
traitor,
liar, and womanizer up against him. ...

No matter how many times the Swiftboating of Kerry is proven
to be a pack of despicable lies some wingnuts will repeat it
as truth anyway.

No matter how many times the "squaw" as racist slur is proven to be a
complete and well documented fabrication some brain damaged juveniles will
repeat it (ad infinitum) as truth anyway.

And hey, how about that Fawn Lake thingy, huh?

Wolfgang
who has tried......many times.....without success to find "political
discussions" on usenet to be something......ANYTHING......but hilarious.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:16:45 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Yeah, there's that but perhaps he wasn't lying in the first place.
One thing we do know for a fact is that the Swiftboating of Kerry
was a pack of despicable lies so you'll have to excuse me if I don't
place a whole lot of credence in your Swiftboat redux.

You keep on going back to the Swiftboat thingy. Neither Bob nor I
have mentioned it. That had nothing to do with his perjury before
Congress. HE LIED UNDER OATH BEFORE CONGRESS! Throwing his medals
over the fence had NOTHING TO DO WITH SWIFTBOATS. Going to Paris
while in uniform had NOTHING TO DO WITH SWIFTBOATS. Kapeesh?
Comprendre? Comprendee?

You keep it up, buddy, and I'll get Wolfgang to give you reading
lessons.

I don't teach morons to read. No one does. This is obvious to the readers
here.

Moron.

Wolfgang

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:02:59 -0700, salmo bytes wrote:

The guy I met in 1968 (Doug Peacock, the inspiration for Hay Duke in
the Monkey Wrench Gang) was a green beret medic, at Lang Vei
I believe. Now that I think about it, he told stories about
Khe Sahn, but never said he was there. At Lang Vei he was
....unless I (like Andy Petitte the other day) "miss-heard."

You do know that Khe Sahn was a seige, don't you? The three
battalions of III Marines were under seige for about two months or so.
Six thousand against 20,000 NVA. There was no hand to hand combat, no
atrocities of civilians because the only ones inside the wire were
wives of the SVN Army troops that fought with the Marines. No
atrocities occured at Khe Sahn. If he wasn't there, how the hell
does he know what happened?

So, you attest that YOU were there? Good thing you ain't under oath,
imbecile.

Your story is poor bull****.

And you are an idiot.

Wolfgang
who, if he were subjected to much more testimony from people who were
"there" (wherever the hell that might have been), might awaken from this
long nap and become cranky.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:19:20 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

give me a break...reagan was non compos mentis for 2 or more years as
prez and you guys loved him for it.

The entire *nation* loved the guy. He ended the Cold War, tore down
the Berlin Wall, started the longest run in the Bull Market on WS,
etc. There will probably never be a more successful or loved
president.

Nothing to add to this. It's just so beautiful that it needed to be
reposted.

Wolfgang
so, what's wrong with murrica?