Dual nymphs

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 17:10:35 -0500, wrote:

Well, if you can pull 60 feet of line off your reel and cast it 60
feet without using a false cast, good luck. I'd pay money to see that
one.

Davey

Davey,
How much money?
Bring your wallet out to the Deschutes, Clearwater, Snake, or a any of a
dozen or so other large Pacific Northwest steelhead rivers anytime between
late August and mid November and I'll show you plenty of good steelhead
fishermen doing just that.


Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR


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On Sat, 3 May 2008 12:51:34 -0700, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:

How much money?
Bring your wallet out to the Deschutes, Clearwater, Snake, or a any of a
dozen or so other large Pacific Northwest steelhead rivers anytime between
late August and mid November and I'll show you plenty of good steelhead
fishermen doing just that.

What kind of rods? You're telling me that these steelheaders can have
60 feet of line at their feet, and without one false cast get their
lure out 60 feet? No spey rods. No multi-rollcasts. Just take that
rod and without a falsecast toss it 60 feet. I'd pay good money for
someone to show me how to do that with a 5 weight which is my normal
nymphing rod.

Remember, this entire conversation began when I said that there is no
need to false cast when your rig goes downstream from you, all you
need is a circle cast. That's, maybe, twenty feet of line. Richard
asked why would anyone nymphing use a false cast. RW and I replied to
get more distance.

When steelheading with Peter, I've used an 8 weight, or a 10 ft Sage 7
weight. I could probably pick up thirty feet of line from downstream
and cast it back upstream an additional 30 feet using a circle cast
and no false casting. But it would be a nasty cast with a nymphing
rod (4 - 6 weight).

Dave

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:53:42 -0500, wrote:

"I would still pay big bucks to see you cast 60 feet of line *without* a
false cast (which would require a back cast), eh?"

You offered. I accepted your offer. And if hundred bucks is your idea
of "big bucks," you're not even worth fooling with even if you had the
stones to stand by your words or the honor to admit your ****-up.

We were talking at the time about a nymphing rig, which in my idea is
a normal trout fly rod, 4-6 weight. I can not imagine you or anyone
else piling 60 feet of line at their feet and casting it without a
false cast of two. No way. RW's answer and my answer are correct -
for more distance. And if you can't false cast a nymphing rig with a
4 - 6 weight rod, you ain't a fly fisherman.

I didn't "**** up". We meet sometime, I got a hundred bucks that says
you can not cast 60 feet of nymphing rig without falsecasting it.
Accept it like a gentleman or shut the **** up.

Dave
(And PLEASE, do not call me at mid-night)

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Remember, this entire conversation began when I said that there is no
need to false cast when your rig goes downstream from you, all you
need is a circle cast. That's, maybe, twenty feet of line. Richard
asked why would anyone nymphing use a false cast. RW and I replied to
get more distance.

The point isn't that someone might sometimes cast a lot of line without
false casting.

The point is that there are MANY occasions in typical trout fishing when
you will want to false cast a nymph rig. Rdean seems to think that false
casting a nymph right is NEVER appropriate.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:

Remember, this entire conversation began when I said that there is no
need to false cast when your rig goes downstream from you, all you
need is a circle cast. That's, maybe, twenty feet of line. Richard
asked why would anyone nymphing use a false cast. RW and I replied to
get more distance.


The point isn't that someone might sometimes cast a lot of line without
false casting.

The point is that there are MANY occasions in typical trout fishing when
you will want to false cast a nymph rig. Rdean seems to think that false
casting a nymph right is NEVER appropriate.


nymph "rig"

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 03 May 2008 16:30:56 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:53:42 -0500, wrote:

"I would still pay big bucks to see you cast 60 feet of line *without* a
false cast (which would require a back cast), eh?"

You offered. I accepted your offer. And if hundred bucks is your idea
of "big bucks," you're not even worth fooling with even if you had the
stones to stand by your words or the honor to admit your ****-up.

We were talking at the time about a nymphing rig, which in my idea is
a normal trout fly rod, 4-6 weight. I can not imagine you or anyone
else piling 60 feet of line at their feet and casting it without a
false cast of two. No way. RW's answer and my answer are correct -
for more distance. And if you can't false cast a nymphing rig with a
4 - 6 weight rod, you ain't a fly fisherman.

I didn't "**** up". We meet sometime, I got a hundred bucks that says
you can not cast 60 feet of nymphing rig without falsecasting it.
Accept it like a gentleman or shut the **** up.

Dave
(And PLEASE, do not call me at mid-night)

SNICKER

Just to **** with you a little further, you're not even consistent in
your own twisted wiggling and backpedaling. You first claim that "a
nymphing rig, which in my idea is a normal trout fly rod, 4-6 weight."
Then, you, via your own definition(s), claim that anyone who can't cast
"a nymphing rig," the aforementioned "normal trout fly rod, 4-6 weight"
with ANOTHER "4-6 weight rod" isn't a fly fisherman. Finally, you
attempt to bet that I "can not cast 60 feet of nymphing rig..." You got
a 4-6 weight rod at least 60 feet long, do ya? Using standard
definitions, Tom L. has already suggested _one_ of ways a person could
cast a "nymphing rig" 60 feet without falsecasting it. I can think of
at least a coupla-few more, all well within your original challenge.

That said...

What word or part thereof of the two simple words, "I'm done," is beyond
your understanding? You've demonstrated to my satisfaction that you're
a lightweight who doesn't have the balls to admit his mistake, "the big
bucks" to stand by his own words, or most importantly, the common sense
to know what is smarter option, so _I'M DONE_.

And you may have the last word,
R

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 12:51:34 -0700, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:

How much money?
Bring your wallet out to the Deschutes, Clearwater, Snake, or a any of a
dozen or so other large Pacific Northwest steelhead rivers anytime between
late August and mid November and I'll show you plenty of good steelhead
fishermen doing just that.

What kind of rods?

I'm not talking about Spey rods. The good spey casters often can put out 90'
+ (never saw a spey caster false cast). No, I' talking about single handed
6-8wt rods of from 9-10'.

You're telling me that these steelheaders can have
60 feet of line at their feet, and without one false cast get their
lure out 60 feet? No spey rods. No multi-rollcasts. Just take that
rod and without a falsecast toss it 60 feet. I'd pay good money for
someone to show me how to do that with a 5 weight which is my normal
nymphing rod.

Now you are changing the parameters - You originally stated "Well, if you
can pull 60 feet of line off your reel and cast it 60
feet without using a false cast, good luck. I'd pay money to see that one."
That is the statement I responded to.
That statement does not include a requirement for the caster to have the
line at his feet. It does not preclude a backcast. It does not require the
line to be rigged with weighted flies and/or split shot and/or an indicator.
I consider myself at best an average caster ( at least among the PNW
steelheading fraternity), yet, absent all your post hoc restrictions, I
would be glad to demonstrate picking up 60' of line with my 5wt and shooting
it right back out - bring your wallet.
However, I seriously doubt that anyone can nymph effectively with 60' of
line out - nymphing is best done at relatively short range to maintain good
drift control, so why even bring up casting such distances in regard to
nymphing?

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR






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On Sat, 03 May 2008 13:31:33 -0700, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Remember, this entire conversation began when I said that there is no
need to false cast when your rig goes downstream from you, all you
need is a circle cast. That's, maybe, twenty feet of line. Richard
asked why would anyone nymphing use a false cast. RW and I replied to
get more distance.

The point isn't that someone might sometimes cast a lot of line without
false casting.

The point is that there are MANY occasions in typical trout fishing when
you will want to false cast a nymph rig. Rdean seems to think that false
casting a nymph right is NEVER appropriate.

Totally agree. And if you are casting a multi-fly set up, even with a
lot of weight, slowing down your cast will help (erase?) any foul-ups
of the rig.

Dave
(who hasn't agreed with RW in a loooooong time. About anything!)

On Sat, 03 May 2008 13:35:02 -0700, rw
wrote:

nymph "rig"

Net nanny! seg

On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:53:39 -0700, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:

I consider myself at best an average caster ( at least among the PNW
steelheading fraternity), yet, absent all your post hoc restrictions, I
would be glad to demonstrate picking up 60' of line with my 5wt and shooting
it right back out - bring your wallet.

No great feat that. I've done it with Peter steelheading in Ontario
with an 8 and 7 weight. But how do you originally get the line out
that far. Does not that require a false cast or two. Or, are you
letting line out on the downstream drift. At sometime during that
entire process, a falsecast seems inevitable.

However, I seriously doubt that anyone can nymph effectively with 60' of
line out - nymphing is best done at relatively short range to maintain good
drift control, so why even bring up casting such distances in regard to
nymphing?

High stick nymphing is less than 20 feet (as practiced by me with or
without an indicator). However, there are more than a few occasions
when I will cast 40, even 60 feet with a single nymph, piece of shot,
and a strike indicator, and catch fish *consistently*. Some of the
biggest landlocks I have taken on the Rapid River where by long-line
nymphing. There are more than a few holes on this river that require
a long cast if you are to fish them effectively. One spot in
particular requires a good 50-60 foot cast across two different speed
currents which means I am only going to get a few feet of drag free
drift no matter how hard I mend. But, the saving grace is that if I
do not get a take in those first few moments, there is a chance that I
will get one on the swing, and sometimes even on the retrieve. On
occasion I have felt the take without seeing it.

Dave