It's looking more and more like Palin and The Old Dude '08 and here's a reason...

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

he "Rs" go for the boy pages."

There is enough blame on that subject to go around. Barney Frank and
his male prostitute apartment. And how can you forget the pedophile
Gerry Studds, who got a 14 year old male page drunk and sodomized him,
and later admitted have sex with several other pages, the oldest being
17? The Dems called it an "error in judgement." I and just about
everyone else calls it aggrivated rape. If that was a Republican, he
would *still* be in jail

Also, remember under Johnson's administration the high level White
House aide that got caught "going down" on some guy?

There have been "incidents" on both sides of the aisle, but the Studds
one is the most serious. He remained in office, was not forced to
resign, and was never punished for his "error in judgement."

Dave

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:17:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 22, 6:56*am, wrote:

Richard
You know damn well that the National Republican party has a long and
well documented history of tolerating and using closeted sexual
deviants in electoral politics. Just look where Dick Morris has
migrated to. You know who Roy Cohen was, who the hit group known as
the "Rat ****ers" was, and you are certainly close enough to the
rotted core of the GOP to know which Republican parties a straight or
a straight laced person does not want to be invited to. And Im sure
you have heard the statement that "the "Ds" go for the booze and the
bimbos, the "Rs" go for the boy pages." I am pretty sure you also know
that the RNC operatives who are called in especially to give a rascist
or anti gay angle to tough elections in the South, have been of that
closeted persuasion.

One of the incredible victories of political info spin of the last 3
decades is the Republican party's ability to garner the "family
values" banner, while harboring the majority of the most notorious
congressional child molesters, philanderers and adulterers of our
times. Between the ex-trotskyites magically transformed into
"NeoConservatives," Roy Cohen's devil spawn, and just plain deviants,
normal middle of the road, non fanatical Republicans have been driven
out of the party. They have been replaced by massed fundamentalists
looking for a way to feed at the trough, ideological woodenheads stuck
in time, and folks who assume that the GOP is still the respectable
moderate option it once was. I would bet you are aware of this stuff
and more, yet you soldier on, maybe not really a true believer, but
loyal to the end. Amazing.

Um, what makes you think I'm a Republican (or for that matter, a
Democrat)? IAC, I do know some folks in both parties, in office, out of
office, and never ran for office, and I know of a whole lot more and
neither party is free of hypocrites, liars, philanders, adulterers,
alcoholics, drug users and abusers, racists, bigots, idiots, fools,
damned good people, caring individuals who really want to do what's
best, hard workers, ****heads, dip****s, and a whole further broad
spectrum. In case you hadn't figured it out, such large political
parties are made up of large numbers of actual people, and well, it's
pretty easy to imagine what happens when you go and get actual people
mixed up in things...

HTH,
R

Dave

On Sep 22, 1:41*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
SNIP

My issue is not men having sex with other men or women having sex with
other women, There are few laws still on the books that put male/male
flautists in jail JUST for that. The issue is public lewdness (wasn't
that foot tapper caught soliciting in the Baltimore Airport this year
a Republican Senator?)

My issue isn't gay prostitution or hetero prostitution, my issue is
the outrageous credentialing as a "journalist" of a gay male
prostitute so he could come and go at the White house. This man's
sexual specialty includes beating his clients while he wears USMC
gear. Who was his client in the White house? Rowe, Cheney, a low
level staffer? Why is the Whitehouse stonewalling this? How did he get
around the President's security envelope? You were all about Clinton
having to account for his blowjob: Maybe you hadn't heard about this
so that's why you've said absolutely zip about it? Clinton was forced
to answer before the whole country. Bush's White house refuses to
testify or to obey subpoenas. I believe the law should apply to both
Rs and Ds. You do too, right?

Yep, Barney Frank is gay . . . and open about it so he probably can
not be blackmailed for it. Stubbs was a D. You sure you want a list of
molester Rs and resignations for involvement in sexual scandal? Maybe
refresh folks on the molester ring in Bush 1 that included late night
boy's tours of the White house? Nancy's hairdresser's overnight
escapades in the Lincoln bedroom?

Its the hypocrisy of insisting the Rs have the family values base
covered that is wrong.

Dave

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Its the hypocrisy of insisting the Rs have the family values base
covered that is wrong.

Not from me. Just call a spade a spade, David. Studds is the worst
example of sexual misconduct. He * forceably raped* a 14 yo and
suffered nothing, nada, for it. Sure, there are Rs and Ds who have
had their hand caught in the wrong place, but the Studds scandal will
trump *anything* you can produce about Rs or other Ds. The world is
full of hypocrites, including you and me. d)

Dave

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:22:40 -0500, wrote:

Um, what makes you think I'm a Republican (or for that matter, a
Democrat)? IAC, I do know some folks in both parties, in office, out of
office, and never ran for office, and I know of a whole lot more and
neither party is free of hypocrites, liars, philanders, adulterers,
alcoholics, drug users and abusers, racists, bigots, idiots, fools,
damned good people, caring individuals who really want to do what's
best, hard workers, ****heads, dip****s, and a whole further broad
spectrum. In case you hadn't figured it out, such large political
parties are made up of large numbers of actual people, and well, it's
pretty easy to imagine what happens when you go and get actual people
mixed up in things...

*EXACTLY*

On Sep 22, 2:22*pm, wrote:
SNIP

Of course there are lots of good people, charming Im sure. But not
some grand discovery. I am talking about a nasty tumor on the
Republican party.

You avoided the question. The Republican Party has for a number of
years put deviants and closeted gays to work on "dirty tricks"
operations, "Rat ****er" operations, vote limitation projects
targeting gays and Blacks, and from the activities of Roy Cohen years
ago, up thru several Southern congressional campaigns, into the
present including activities like the Maine "Phone jamming" case (They
got caught and served time), the RNC and State R parties have
continued to use such tactics, and that the McCain campaign has
specifically stated that "no campaign tactic is off the table,"
despite the fact that some of these tactics were used by the RNC
against McCain.

I believe most people who have had some close political involvements,
or who travel in circles I assume you might have encountered, are
aware of what I am saying. I only raise this because you persist in
posting one sided material, and never to my recall have you posted
anything about R sex scandals, except denials, and as for the practice
I speak of, never a word.

Dave

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:59:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 22, 2:22*pm, wrote:
SNIP

Of course there are lots of good people, charming Im sure. But not
some grand discovery. I am talking about a nasty tumor on the
Republican party.

You avoided the question. The Republican Party has for a number of
years put deviants and closeted gays to work on "dirty tricks"
operations, "Rat ****er" operations, vote limitation projects
targeting gays and Blacks, and from the activities of Roy Cohen years
ago, up thru several Southern congressional campaigns, into the
present including activities like the Maine "Phone jamming" case (They
got caught and served time), the RNC and State R parties have
continued to use such tactics, and that the McCain campaign has
specifically stated that "no campaign tactic is off the table,"
despite the fact that some of these tactics were used by the RNC
against McCain.

I think you are WAY too worried about gays, closeted or otherwise...

I believe most people who have had some close political involvements,
or who travel in circles I assume you might have encountered, are
aware of what I am saying. I only raise this because you persist in
posting one sided material, and never to my recall have you posted
anything about R sex scandals, except denials, and as for the practice
I speak of, never a word.

I can't recall ever having posted much, at least insofar as being the
OP, about sex scandals at all, D or R, gay or straight. Heck, I don't
even care where Bill Clinton put his dick when it involved gals like
Gennifer Flowers and other semi-pros. I don't know enough about
Lewinski to have an opinion as to where she was, but IAC, it wasn't him
getting a blowjob or lying to "the American people"about it that is the
real issue.

HTH,
R

Dave

On Sep 22, 3:19*pm, wrote:

And you still avoid the question. For someone who is aware of how this
country works, admitting that the R "dirty trick" operations are
largely staffed as I have described, should be as easy as admitting
that the sky is blue. I do consider you to be informed of some of the
realities of how certain aspects of our country really work. But you
can not even admit that the rot at the heart of Republican politics
even exists. We are not talking policy or ideological differences
he I mean that serious deviancy, corruption, and criminal
activities are an integral part of how that particular institution of
political expression is operated. And NO, both parties do not operate
like that. some bad crap in the past, not perfect, and frumpy, but
today's Democratic Parties are a damnsite cleaner than the opposition.

I cannot understand why some people are so loyal to this failed and
foul ideological stew we are watching slowly die, even as it cripples
future generations of our country. I think it would be next to
impossible for them to vote Democratic no matter how badly the
Republicans had managed the country. incurred debt, or abused the
Constitution. Change is very hard for these folks.

Dave

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:36:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 22, 3:19*pm, wrote:

And you still avoid the question. For someone who is aware of how this
country works, admitting that the R "dirty trick" operations are
largely staffed as I have described, should be as easy as admitting
that the sky is blue. I do consider you to be informed of some of the
realities of how certain aspects of our country really work. But you
can not even admit that the rot at the heart of Republican politics
even exists. We are not talking policy or ideological differences
he I mean that serious deviancy, corruption, and criminal
activities are an integral part of how that particular institution of
political expression is operated. And NO, both parties do not operate
like that. some bad crap in the past, not perfect, and frumpy, but
today's Democratic Parties are a damnsite cleaner than the opposition.

I cannot understand why some people are so loyal to this failed and
foul ideological stew we are watching slowly die, even as it cripples
future generations of our country. I think it would be next to
impossible for them to vote Democratic no matter how badly the
Republicans had managed the country. incurred debt, or abused the
Constitution. Change is very hard for these folks.

Dave

I didn't "avoid the question" because you didn't ask one, but it is
interesting that you consider admitting to something you've decreed as
"answering" a question. IAC, I cannot "admit" that the R "dirty tricks"
operations are staffed a certain way because I have no idea if such
"operations" exist much less how they are staffed. While I'd suspect
that most campaigns in both parties have people who do engage in what
could be termed "dirty tricks," I can't imagine how anyone, including
you, could have a run-down on it all. IAC, swap Democrat for Republican
in your partisan rant above, and you'd have the gist of what your
opposition would say. And that's what's wrong in the US today - silly,
self-absorbed middle-class boomers and their children convinced that
THEY have all the answers and the other side has none, when in reality,
they have VERY few correct answers. And a particularly funny part is
all the bleating and whining about "future generations" - if this large
middle class, from both parties but largely Democrat and "liberal,"
cared about the future, they wouldn't consume like white trash who had
won the lottery - Lexus, McMansions, Starbucks, etc. - this kind of crap
exists solely because of a middle-class sense of entitlement run amok.

Sheesh,
R

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:12:37 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:


She's a comedian, with a propensity for shock humor. I wouldn't call
what she says 'racism' (or in this case, sexism or pro-semitism), I'd
just call it bad humor.

Hmmm...I'd call suggesting that "black men" would be interested in, much
less predisposed to, gang-raping someone pretty racist, but hey,
YMMV...IAC, what's that when compared to someone merely mentioning the
title of a record by a black man, right?

And there ya are,
R