OT - Should passing a drug test be a requirement for gun purchase/ownership?

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

T.L. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:48 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:eb25160d-4ad6-4661-
:

Your opinion?

TMT

If we're gonna be so strict about guns and drugs we need to do the same
with cars and drugs. Anyone with a conviction for any drug crime (naturally
that includes DUI) should lose the right to ever drive a car.
Well, hell, guess they'll have to drive trucks!!

With gun racks.

TL
Guns can kill the same way that cars can. Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?


Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.


Of course it is. It's just not an enumerated Right.



Gunner

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 28, 8:44*pm, Strabo wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

T.L. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:48 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:eb25160d-4ad6-4661-
:

Your opinion?

TMT

If we're gonna be so strict about guns and drugs we need to do the same
with cars and drugs. Anyone with a conviction for any drug crime (naturally
that includes DUI) should lose the right to ever drive a car.
Well, hell, guess they'll have to drive trucks!!

*With gun racks.

TL
Guns can kill the same way that cars can. *Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?

Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.

Of course it is. It's just not an enumerated Right.

83. There. Now it is.

ROFLMAO...nice try.


Gunner

Ooh! You make me wet.

Sorry laddy..Im straight..not into males. But thanks for the kind
words.


"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu- Hide quoted text -

A lot of people have read that crap for a long, long time. Not all
that many are eager to advertise their ignorance of literature,
philosophy, law, sociology, theology, economics, military strategy and
tactics, morality, history, and their own culture by quoting it.

Shrug....the stupid stick with the stupid..the bright rule them all.


giles
who notes that these boys are, contrary to any reasonable expectation,
even dumber than our own home grown morons..

Snicker

Gunner

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product*
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu
*

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:59:36 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Mar 28, 8:44*pm, Strabo wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

T.L. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:48 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in
news:eb25160d-4ad6-4661-
:

Your opinion?

TMT

If we're gonna be so strict about guns and drugs we need to do the
same with cars and drugs. Anyone with a conviction for any drug
crime (naturally that includes DUI) should lose the right to ever
drive a car.
Well, hell, guess they'll have to drive trucks!!

*With gun racks.

TL
Guns can kill the same way that cars can. *Why not hold operations
of both to the same standards?

Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.

Of course it is. It's just not an enumerated Right.

83. There. Now it is.

ROFLMAO...nice try.


Gunner

Ooh! You make me wet.

Sorry laddy..Im straight..not into males. But thanks for the kind words.


"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood
must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade
must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the
nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by
teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral
principles."
—Sun Tzu- Hide quoted text -

A lot of people have read that crap for a long, long time. Not all that
many are eager to advertise their ignorance of literature, philosophy,
law, sociology, theology, economics, military strategy and tactics,
morality, history, and their own culture by quoting it.

Shrug....the stupid stick with the stupid..

As you were with Bush right up until the end, right? *

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arrest Bush
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:44:28 -0500, Strabo
wrote:


With gun racks.

TL
Guns can kill the same way that cars can. Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?


Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.


Of course it is. It's just not an enumerated Right.

Really? Then it cant be driven on government property?

Sorry...not a Right.

Gunner

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product*
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu
*

On Mar 29, 8:04*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
wrote :





On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:33:19 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote:

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" wrote
68.3.70:

Nicholas wrote in
:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

Guns can kill the same way that cars can. *Why not hold operations
of both to the same standards?

60,000 deaths/year from on the road traffic accidents. *How many
from LEGAL use of firearms again? *I forgot your *statistic.*

Nick

Actually annual highway deaths have been around 42,000 last 5 years
although last year was around 37,000 due to the bush depression. But
it's still much higher than the 32,000 annual gun deaths - and half
of those are suicides and shouldn't count.

Suicides, by definition have at least one willing participant.

FWIW, if you don't realize it, you (and any who respond without
trimming the headers) are cross-posting to a number of unrelated
groups. *If you do realize it, um, well...carry on, I guess...

I don't crosspost. *I do, however respond to posts I find in
talk.politics.guns. *I have no control over those folks, but I do intend
for my comment to reach the poster I am responding to even though I have
no idea which forum *they* crossposted from. *It really is a difference..

--

Valid point. Its pretty easy with crossposted threads to lose the
perspective of the other folks who are at home in their own groups.

FYI, none of the participants on this thread (with the recent
exception of rdean and myself just now) are from
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, so if you deleted that group from your
header, you will still be replying to the poster who started this
thread, as well as all the posters who are participating. In fact, you
could easily do that to any threads that have rec.outdoors.fishing,fly
in the headers, as we are fairly careful to only crosspost to a couple
of other fishing sites.

We are receiving a recent spate of unusually high cross-posted traffic
here on roff, and I suspect that the only way it will die down is if
mindful people start trimming headers (keeping in mind your point
about ensuring your response gets to the OP) or waiting until the
thread dies out.

In that vein, you shouldn't be hearing from me again unless I wander
over to talk.politics.guns. Enjoy your chats!

--riverman

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:33:19 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote:

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" wrote in
.70:

Nicholas wrote in
:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

Guns can kill the same way that cars can. Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?
60,000 deaths/year from on the road traffic accidents. How many from
LEGAL use of firearms again? I forgot your *statistic.*

Nick

Actually annual highway deaths have been around 42,000 last 5 years
although last year was around 37,000 due to the bush depression. But
it's still much higher than the 32,000 annual gun deaths - and half of
those are suicides and shouldn't count.


Suicides, by definition have at least one willing participant.

FWIW, if you don't realize it, you (and any who respond without trimming the
headers) are cross-posting to a number of unrelated groups. If you do realize
it, um, well...carry on, I guess...

HTH

Who cares what you want? Are you Little Tommies secret friend? Are you
one of the little fly girlz?

On Mar 28, 2:53*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day



wrote:
T.L. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:48 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:eb25160d-4ad6-4661-
:

Your opinion?

TMT

If we're gonna be so strict about guns and drugs we need to do the same
with cars and drugs. Anyone with a conviction for any drug crime (naturally
that includes DUI) should lose the right to ever drive a car.

Well, hell, guess they'll have to drive trucks!!

*With gun racks.

TL

Guns can kill the same way that cars can. *Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?

Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.

Gunner

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product*
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu
*

Actually it is not.

Why does society restrict your so called "right"?

Or are you in favor of felons having the right to a gun?

TMT

On Mar 28, 11:59*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Mar 28, 8:44*pm, Strabo wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:12:35 -0500, Another Sunny Day
wrote:

T.L. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:48 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:eb25160d-4ad6-4661-
:

Your opinion?

TMT

If we're gonna be so strict about guns and drugs we need to do the same
with cars and drugs. Anyone with a conviction for any drug crime (naturally
that includes DUI) should lose the right to ever drive a car.
Well, hell, guess they'll have to drive trucks!!

*With gun racks.

TL
Guns can kill the same way that cars can. *Why not hold operations of
both to the same standards?

Because gun ownership is a Right, where car ownership is not.

Of course it is. It's just not an enumerated Right.

83. There. *Now it is.

ROFLMAO...nice try.

Thank you, very kind words.

Gunner

Ooh! *You make me wet.

Sorry laddy..Im straight..not into males. But thanks for the kind
words.

De nada.

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu- Hide quoted text -

A lot of people have read that crap for a long, long time. *Not all
that many are eager to advertise their ignorance of literature,
philosophy, law, sociology, theology, economics, military strategy and
tactics, morality, history, and their own culture by quoting it.

Shrug....the stupid stick with the stupid..the bright rule them all.

Really? When did that start?

giles
who notes that these boys are, contrary to any reasonable expectation,
even dumber than our own home grown morons..

Snicker

Ah, we amuse!

giles

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:58:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


A lot of people have read that crap for a long, long time. *Not all
that many are eager to advertise their ignorance of literature,
philosophy, law, sociology, theology, economics, military strategy and
tactics, morality, history, and their own culture by quoting it.

Shrug....the stupid stick with the stupid..the bright rule them all.

Really? When did that start?

Some many thousand years ago, with few exceptions.

giles
who notes that these boys are, contrary to any reasonable expectation,
even dumber than our own home grown morons..

Snicker

Ah, we amuse!

giles

As does a small insect.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr


and conservatives wonder why they fell out of favor so fast and so
completely? The average American is bright enough to see through this sort
of childishness. This lack of tolerance for those that disagree is among the
hallmarks of the loony right, just as it is with the extreme left. Most
folks wish both extremes would STFU and let the intelligent, thoughtful
souls in the middle someplace move the country forward.
Tom