why?

On Apr 25, 10:23*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
alaskaguy wrote:
Ken wrote:
You can't talk about effective flies on Missouri trout streams without
mentioning Ed Story's Crackleback Dry Woolly.

Do you suggest a beaded or dry? *I'd like to try it. Hate to admit it,
but I don't tie my own...found them online 12-16 size...are these
sizes ok?

I didn't know anybody sold a beaded version. I've never used
beaded or size 12. I like oranges and yellows in 14 and 16.

--
Ken Fortenberry

A company called feather-craft sells the beaded version. But I
figured dry was the way to go.
Thanks.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz
wrote:

I hesitate to bring this up, figgering that there will be lots of
silly responses, but, I swear, they are serious questions that have
been haunting me for some time.

I have spent most of my life in the Rockies, Cascades, and places
there'bouts. I have caught trout of all kinds, sizes, and temperments
in an amazing variety of places. I have never, and don't ever expect
to, fish on "outfitter" waters, as I have my own personal anathema
toward the concept.

I have caught trout on every kind of fly imaginable, but the great
majority were caught on:
1. Caddis, usually elk hair in sizes from 8 to 14.
2. Lead wrapped at first, and bead head recently, fuzzy globs
(nymphs, I guess) from size 4 (believe it ! ) up to 14 or so.
3. Black gnat, grey dun, and Royal Wulff dries, from 12 to 16.
4. (later on) Wooley buggers and sculpins frim 8 to 12.

In my dotage, I fish mostly tail waters, as I no longer live in the
west. There are humungous (former world record brown, current state
record brookies, etc) fish there, but seem to feed only on nearly
invisible.......somethings. Even on the spring fed headwaters, the
same is generally true.
The youngsters, equipped with five grand worth of LLBean stuff, bobber
fish with #22 zebra's almost exclusively, and seem to catch all the
fish. I stumble across one dummy now and then, but when the wind is
up and I am forced to switch to UL spin tackle, I catch a number of
fish on my small, home made spoons.
And the local hillbillies are dragging them out one after the other on
power bait.

I an not jealous (not much, anyway) of what others do, as I have "done
it, pretty much, all". But I am "jealous" of what I, myself, used to
do. I think my leader choices, presentation, etc. are as good as
ever, but they do not like any of the stuff I have used for 60 or so
years. Zebras are itttttttttt !

If they can suck up power bait or get faked out by my small spoons,
why won't they like a yummy looking wet caddis? This isn't a case of
"just last week" or temporary choosiness; it has been happening for at
least eight years.

cheers

oz, confused


Sounds a lot like the tailwater I fished in TN. The shop recommended
Zebra midges under bobbers and they did work. But what worked even
better was a size 20 soft hackle wet. If one were to use a bigger
Pheasant Tail Soft Hackle with a bead head, say a #16, then tie the
smaller wet off that on a 9" dropper and then just do a downstream wet
fly swing over the feeding fish, one might be pleasantly surprised.
It usually takes me a while every year to get my slip strike down but
after I get back in the groove I get my share of fish to hand.
those little flip down magnifier glasses make rigging the small flies
a lot easier.

GeoC

On Apr 27, 6:59*am, George Cleveland
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz



wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up, figgering that there will be lots of
silly responses, but, I swear, they are serious questions that have
been haunting me for some time.

I have spent most of my life in the Rockies, Cascades, and places
there'bouts. *I have caught trout of all kinds, sizes, and temperments
in an amazing variety of places. *I have never, and don't ever expect
to, fish on "outfitter" waters, as I have my own personal anathema
toward the concept.

I have caught trout on every kind of fly imaginable, but the great
majority were caught on:
1. *Caddis, usually elk hair in sizes from 8 to 14.
2. *Lead wrapped at first, and bead head recently, fuzzy globs
(nymphs, I guess) from size 4 (believe it ! ) up to 14 or so.
3. *Black gnat, grey dun, and Royal Wulff dries, from 12 to 16.
4. *(later on) Wooley buggers and sculpins frim 8 to 12.

In my dotage, I fish mostly tail waters, as I no longer live in the
west. *There are humungous (former world record brown, current state
record brookies, etc) fish there, but seem to feed only on nearly
invisible.......somethings. *Even on the spring fed headwaters, the
same is generally true.
The youngsters, equipped with five grand worth of LLBean stuff, bobber
fish with #22 zebra's almost exclusively, and seem to catch all the
fish. *I stumble across one dummy now and then, but when the wind is
up and I am forced to switch to UL spin tackle, I catch a number of
fish on my small, home made spoons.
And the local hillbillies are dragging them out one after the other on
power bait.

I an not jealous (not much, anyway) of what others do, as I have "done
it, pretty much, all". *But I am "jealous" of what I, myself, used to
do. *I think my leader choices, presentation, etc. are as good as
ever, but they do not like any of the stuff I have used for 60 or so
years. *Zebras are itttttttttt !

If they can suck up power bait or get faked out by my small spoons,
why won't they like a yummy looking wet caddis? *This isn't a case of
"just last week" or temporary choosiness; it has been happening for at
least eight years.

cheers

oz, confused

Sounds a lot like the tailwater I fished in TN. The shop recommended
Zebra midges under bobbers and they did work. But what worked even
better was a size 20 soft hackle wet. If one were to use a bigger
Pheasant Tail Soft Hackle with a bead head, say a #16, then tie the
smaller wet off that on a 9" dropper and then just do a downstream wet
fly *swing over the feeding fish, one might be pleasantly surprised.
It usually takes me a while every year to get my slip strike down but
after I get back in the groove I get my share of fish to hand.
those little flip down magnifier glasses make rigging the small flies
a lot easier.

GeoC

Thank you, George. I will give that a try. I also, since my eye
implants, have been looking for the 3.5 flip downs. I guess I will
just get some on line.

And, thank you to all who have jumped in here. I have quite a bit of
new info to digest among all the @#$%$&&*#$ lawn / garden slavery
due.

cheers

oz