And speaking of getting "combat troops" out of Iraq....

Geez, it's tailor-made for the late, great George Carlin - a routine on combat
troops vs. "advise and assist" troops, ala baseball vs. football......advising
and assisting begins in the fall, when everything's dying...advising and
assisting is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden
death...

Starting from the top (north), Task Force Marne:

HQ'ed by the 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Spartan)
3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Warrior)
25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii

1st Advise and Assist Task Force (Ready First)
1st Armored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas

1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade (Reduced strength) (Demon)
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas

to the center, HQ'ed by the 1st Armored,

to the south, HQ'ed by the 1st Infantry (Big Red One),

and let's not forget the 5,000 or so SOG Operators (who may or may not be
included in the 50K "advise and assist" number).

The 50K "non-combat" troops left in Iraq as part of the "Advise and Assist"
mission, "New Dawn," are obviously not combat troops. Why, shoot (pardon the
pun), just look at their names - could an "Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade,"
nicknamed "Demon" be anything but a bunch of folks advising and assisting...?
And who would guess an infantry division, "Warrior," would anything but advisors
and assisters. I mean, just look at the first line of their (own) history: "The
3rd Infantry Division has one of the most successful combat records of any U.S.
Army division." Well, I'm convinced - advisors and assisters, one and all...

Didn't _anyone_ learn _anything_ from Vietnam? From Korea? From Somalia?
From....

If the "advisors" have machine guns, gunships, artillery and Abrams tanks,
somebody might accidentally mistake them for combat troops or something...

Sheesh,
R
....this has serious cluster-**** written all over it...and I hope I'm as wrong
as I can possibly be...

On Sep 8, 10:14*am, wrote:
Geez, it's tailor-made for the late, great George Carlin - a routine on combat
troops vs. "advise and assist" troops, ala baseball vs. football......advising
and assisting begins in the fall, when everything's dying...advising and
assisting is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden
death...

Starting from the top (north), Task Force Marne:

HQ'ed by the 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Spartan)
3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Warrior)
25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii

1st Advise and Assist Task Force (Ready First)
1st Armored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas

1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade (Reduced strength) (Demon)
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas

to the center, HQ'ed by the 1st Armored,

to the south, HQ'ed by the 1st Infantry (Big Red One),

and let's not forget the 5,000 or so SOG Operators (who may or may not be
included in the 50K "advise and assist" number).

The 50K "non-combat" troops left in Iraq as part of the "Advise and Assist"
mission, "New Dawn," are obviously not combat troops. *Why, shoot (pardon the
pun), just look at their names - could an "Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade,"
nicknamed "Demon" be anything but a bunch of folks advising and assisting....?
And who would guess an infantry division, "Warrior," would anything but advisors
and assisters. *I mean, just look at the first line of their (own) history: "The
3rd Infantry Division has one of the most successful combat records of any U.S.
Army division." *Well, I'm convinced - advisors and assisters, one and all...

Didn't _anyone_ learn _anything_ from Vietnam? *From Korea? *From Somalia?
From....

If the "advisors" have machine guns, gunships, artillery and Abrams tanks,
somebody might accidentally mistake them for combat troops or something....

Sheesh,
R
...this has serious cluster-**** written all over it...and I hope I'm as wrong
as I can possibly be...

Well cleaning up the **** you silly MFs get this country into always
costs more lives and IT IS NEVER YOUR KIDS OR MONEY that pays the
butcher's bill, Or in the case of one family member, serves her 4th
tour I think. That is why I feel like smacking rightards who
invariably sneer and heckle while the adults show what real love of
country means.

What's going on is a staged retreat and I want our kids armed to the
teeth and combat ready to **** up anybody who gets in the way while we
get out of the ****-storm your team created to profiteer from American
blood. Richard, at least have the good sense to respect the blood that
has been paid. You want a cause? Go hang out at the VA hospital and
then maybe there will be at least one shamefully low part of the Fed
budget you could support increasing.

Dave

On Sep 8, 10:51*am, DaveS wrote:
On Sep 8, 10:14*am, wrote:





Geez, it's tailor-made for the late, great George Carlin - a routine on combat
troops vs. "advise and assist" troops, ala baseball vs. football......advising
and assisting begins in the fall, when everything's dying...advising and
assisting is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden
death...

Starting from the top (north), Task Force Marne:

HQ'ed by the 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Spartan)
3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Warrior)
25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii

1st Advise and Assist Task Force (Ready First)
1st Armored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas

1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade (Reduced strength) (Demon)
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas

to the center, HQ'ed by the 1st Armored,

to the south, HQ'ed by the 1st Infantry (Big Red One),

and let's not forget the 5,000 or so SOG Operators (who may or may not be
included in the 50K "advise and assist" number).

The 50K "non-combat" troops left in Iraq as part of the "Advise and Assist"
mission, "New Dawn," are obviously not combat troops. *Why, shoot (pardon the
pun), just look at their names - could an "Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade,"
nicknamed "Demon" be anything but a bunch of folks advising and assisting...?
And who would guess an infantry division, "Warrior," would anything but advisors
and assisters. *I mean, just look at the first line of their (own) history: "The
3rd Infantry Division has one of the most successful combat records of any U.S.
Army division." *Well, I'm convinced - advisors and assisters, one and all...

Didn't _anyone_ learn _anything_ from Vietnam? *From Korea? *From Somalia?
From....

If the "advisors" have machine guns, gunships, artillery and Abrams tanks,
somebody might accidentally mistake them for combat troops or something....

Sheesh,
R
...this has serious cluster-**** written all over it...and I hope I'm as wrong
as I can possibly be...

Well cleaning up the **** you silly MFs get this country into always
costs more lives and IT IS NEVER YOUR KIDS OR MONEY that pays the
butcher's bill, *Or in the case of one family member, *serves her 4th
tour I think. That is why I feel like smacking rightards who
invariably sneer and heckle while the adults show what real love of
country means.

What's going on is a staged retreat and I want our kids armed to the
teeth and combat ready to **** up anybody who gets in the way while we
get out of the ****-storm your team created to profiteer from American
blood. Richard, at least have the good sense to respect the blood that
has been paid. You want a cause? Go hang out at the VA hospital and
then maybe there will be at least one shamefully low part of the Fed
budget you could support increasing.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well Said!
Thank you.

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:42:29 -0700 (PDT), BJConner wrote:

On Sep 8, 10:51*am, DaveS wrote:
On Sep 8, 10:14*am, wrote:





Geez, it's tailor-made for the late, great George Carlin - a routine on combat
troops vs. "advise and assist" troops, ala baseball vs. football......advising
and assisting begins in the fall, when everything's dying...advising and
assisting is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden
death...

Starting from the top (north), Task Force Marne:

HQ'ed by the 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Spartan)
3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Warrior)
25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii

1st Advise and Assist Task Force (Ready First)
1st Armored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas

1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade (Reduced strength) (Demon)
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas

to the center, HQ'ed by the 1st Armored,

to the south, HQ'ed by the 1st Infantry (Big Red One),

and let's not forget the 5,000 or so SOG Operators (who may or may not be
included in the 50K "advise and assist" number).

The 50K "non-combat" troops left in Iraq as part of the "Advise and Assist"
mission, "New Dawn," are obviously not combat troops. *Why, shoot (pardon the
pun), just look at their names - could an "Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade,"
nicknamed "Demon" be anything but a bunch of folks advising and assisting...?
And who would guess an infantry division, "Warrior," would anything but advisors
and assisters. *I mean, just look at the first line of their (own) history: "The
3rd Infantry Division has one of the most successful combat records of any U.S.
Army division." *Well, I'm convinced - advisors and assisters, one and all...

Didn't _anyone_ learn _anything_ from Vietnam? *From Korea? *From Somalia?
From....

If the "advisors" have machine guns, gunships, artillery and Abrams tanks,
somebody might accidentally mistake them for combat troops or something...

Sheesh,
R
...this has serious cluster-**** written all over it...and I hope I'm as wrong
as I can possibly be...

Well cleaning up the **** you silly MFs get this country into always
costs more lives and IT IS NEVER YOUR KIDS OR MONEY that pays the
butcher's bill, *Or in the case of one family member, *serves her 4th
tour I think. That is why I feel like smacking rightards who
invariably sneer and heckle while the adults show what real love of
country means.

What's going on is a staged retreat and I want our kids armed to the
teeth and combat ready to **** up anybody who gets in the way while we
get out of the ****-storm your team created to profiteer from American
blood. Richard, at least have the good sense to respect the blood that
has been paid. You want a cause? Go hang out at the VA hospital and
then maybe there will be at least one shamefully low part of the Fed
budget you could support increasing.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well Said!
Thank you.

Yeah, it's never MY team...

....but FWIW, here's the first member of "my team" that died over there (Desert
Storm):

http://www.gulfwarmemorial.com/hero.php?id=160

HTH,
R
RIP DRH, Jr.. et al...

On Sep 8, 12:28*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:42:29 -0700 (PDT), BJConner wrote:
On Sep 8, 10:51*am, DaveS wrote:
On Sep 8, 10:14*am, wrote:

Geez, it's tailor-made for the late, great George Carlin - a routine on combat
troops vs. "advise and assist" troops, ala baseball vs. football.......advising
and assisting begins in the fall, when everything's dying...advising and
assisting is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden
death...

Starting from the top (north), Task Force Marne:

HQ'ed by the 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Spartan)
3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Georgia

2nd Advise and Assist Brigade (Warrior)
25th Infantry Division, Schofield Barracks, Hawaii

1st Advise and Assist Task Force (Ready First)
1st Armored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas

1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade (Reduced strength) (Demon)
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas

to the center, HQ'ed by the 1st Armored,

to the south, HQ'ed by the 1st Infantry (Big Red One),

and let's not forget the 5,000 or so SOG Operators (who may or may not be
included in the 50K "advise and assist" number).

The 50K "non-combat" troops left in Iraq as part of the "Advise and Assist"
mission, "New Dawn," are obviously not combat troops. *Why, shoot (pardon the
pun), just look at their names - could an "Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade,"
nicknamed "Demon" be anything but a bunch of folks advising and assisting...?
And who would guess an infantry division, "Warrior," would anything but advisors
and assisters. *I mean, just look at the first line of their (own) history: "The
3rd Infantry Division has one of the most successful combat records of any U.S.
Army division." *Well, I'm convinced - advisors and assisters, one and all...

Didn't _anyone_ learn _anything_ from Vietnam? *From Korea? *From Somalia?
From....

If the "advisors" have machine guns, gunships, artillery and Abrams tanks,
somebody might accidentally mistake them for combat troops or something...

Sheesh,
R
...this has serious cluster-**** written all over it...and I hope I'm as wrong
as I can possibly be...

Well cleaning up the **** you silly MFs get this country into always
costs more lives and IT IS NEVER YOUR KIDS OR MONEY that pays the
butcher's bill, *Or in the case of one family member, *serves her 4th
tour I think. That is why I feel like smacking rightards who
invariably sneer and heckle while the adults show what real love of
country means.

What's going on is a staged retreat and I want our kids armed to the
teeth and combat ready to **** up anybody who gets in the way while we
get out of the ****-storm your team created to profiteer from American
blood. Richard, at least have the good sense to respect the blood that
has been paid. You want a cause? Go hang out at the VA hospital and
then maybe there will be at least one shamefully low part of the Fed
budget you could support increasing.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well Said!
Thank you.

Yeah, it's never MY team...

...but FWIW, here's the first member of "my team" that died over there (Desert
Storm):

http://www.gulfwarmemorial.com/hero.php?id=160

HTH,
R
RIP DRH, Jr.. et al...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then you should understand why our team needs to be able to fight
its way out of that ******** if necessary, and at least on this item
not heckle. I want our enemies to fear our order of battle and know
for certain that they will pay a price, and at the same time I want
the Arab world to hear Obama's message that we are going . . .
Dave

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:


Well then you should...

Should I?

**** you,
R

On Sep 8, 3:20*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
Well then you should...

Should I? *

Nah, you should just shut the **** up until you have something to say

**** you,
R

Moron.

g.
o.k. now, everybody, trot out your dead.....go on.....be
proud.....show us what heroes you are.

On Sep 8, 8:41*pm, Giles wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:20*pm, wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
Well then you should...

Should I? *

Nah, you should just shut the **** up until you have something to say

**** you,
R

Moron.

g.
o.k. now, everybody, trot out your dead.....go on.....be
proud.....show us what heroes you are.

....you first.

On Sep 8, 10:08*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Sep 8, 8:41*pm, Giles wrote:





On Sep 8, 3:20*pm, wrote:

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:
Well then you should...

Should I? *

Nah, you should just shut the **** up until you have something to say

**** you,
R

Moron.

g.
o.k. now, everybody, trot out your dead.....go on.....be
proud.....show us what heroes you are.

...you first.

O.k. Near as I can tell, EVERY LAST ONE of my ancestors is dead.
Morevoer, while I've never done an actual count, I estimate that I
have just about as many ancestors as the next guy. I have also known
quite a few people who are not now and never were my ancestors, but
who are, now, nevertheless, quite dead.

Beat that, hero.

g.
bets on whether or not the imbecile reponds again?

On Sep 10, 6:09*pm, Giles wrote:

Beat that, hero.

As a man I respect once said: "I ain't no hero, but I worked with
some".

oz, never a wanna-be