Wader sizing!

I cannot get over the fact that the high-end wader manufacturers refer to a
6' man with a 48" inch chest and a 36" waist as "stout," while at the same
time consider a 6'1 man with a 46" inch chest and 42" waist to be of normal
build (who is in better shape?). IF ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM A WADER
MANUFACTURER HAPPENS TO READ THIS NEWSGROUP, A MAN WITH 48" CHEST AND A 36"
WAIST IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE OF ATHLETIC BUILD BY MOST CLOTHING
MANUFACTURERS (i.e., suits with more than six inches of drop between the
chest and waist size are considered to be athletic-cut). REFERRING TO THESE
PEOPLE AS "STOUT," WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "FAT," DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR
SALES.

Now, with that off of my chest. Why is it that fly fishing apparel does not
following standard sizing rules? An extra-large in fly fishing clothing is
somewhere between the sizes large and an extra-large in street clothes, and
an extra-extra-large is like wearing a tent. The market is ripe for a
manufacturer who a) does not refer to athletically-built men as "stout," and
b) offers clothing cut for the larger athletically-built man. The last time
I checked a 6' man, with a 33" inseam was not considered to be "short" by
any definition.

"Mark" wrote...
I cannot get over the fact that the high-end wader manufacturers refer to a
6' man with a 48" inch chest and a 36" waist as "stout," while at the same
time consider a 6'1 man with a 46" inch chest and 42" waist to be of normal
build (who is in better shape?). IF ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM A WADER
MANUFACTURER HAPPENS TO READ THIS NEWSGROUP, A MAN WITH 48" CHEST AND A 36"
WAIST IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE OF ATHLETIC BUILD BY MOST CLOTHING
MANUFACTURERS (i.e., suits with more than six inches of drop between the
chest and waist size are considered to be athletic-cut). REFERRING TO THESE
PEOPLE AS "STOUT," WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "FAT," DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR
SALES.

Never really gave it much thought. I just read what sizes fit which build and
buy. I usually end up buying size FFT (f..kin' fat tall) and go fishing.

Now, with that off of my chest. Why is it that fly fishing apparel does not
following standard sizing rules? An extra-large in fly fishing clothing is
somewhere between the sizes large and an extra-large in street clothes, and
an extra-extra-large is like wearing a tent. The market is ripe for a
manufacturer who a) does not refer to athletically-built men as "stout," and
b) offers clothing cut for the larger athletically-built man. The last time
I checked a 6' man, with a 33" inseam was not considered to be "short" by
any definition.

It's bad enough there are people wandering around in the rivers making sure
their Orvis/Simms tags are showing. Now they'll want to make sure the "Athletic"
designation is proudly displayed. Since I resemble a Sumo wrestler, maybe I
could get one of them thar Athletic tags, eh?

Nice troll, BTW.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:31:33 -0500, "Mark"
wrote:

I cannot get over the fact that the high-end wader manufacturers refer to a
6' man with a 48" inch chest and a 36" waist as "stout," while at the same
time consider a 6'1 man with a 46" inch chest and 42" waist to be of normal
build (who is in better shape?). IF ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM A WADER
MANUFACTURER HAPPENS TO READ THIS NEWSGROUP, A MAN WITH 48" CHEST AND A 36"
WAIST IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE OF ATHLETIC BUILD BY MOST CLOTHING
MANUFACTURERS (i.e., suits with more than six inches of drop between the
chest and waist size are considered to be athletic-cut). REFERRING TO THESE
PEOPLE AS "STOUT," WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "FAT," DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR
SALES.

Now, with that off of my chest. Why is it that fly fishing apparel does not
following standard sizing rules? An extra-large in fly fishing clothing is
somewhere between the sizes large and an extra-large in street clothes, and
an extra-extra-large is like wearing a tent. The market is ripe for a
manufacturer who a) does not refer to athletically-built men as "stout," and
b) offers clothing cut for the larger athletically-built man. The last time
I checked a 6' man, with a 33" inseam was not considered to be "short" by
any definition.




Dear Stout Mark-

Are you saying you want waders that are tapered at the waist?

In waders the inseam is measured from the floor to the crotch, BTW.


g.c.

Who doesn't understand the problem, if one is vain one doesn't wear
waders.

Mark wrote:

I cannot get over the fact that the high-end wader manufacturers refer to a
6' man with a 48" inch chest and a 36" waist as "stout".........

That must be very trying.


..... IF ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM A WADER
MANUFACTURER HAPPENS TO READ THIS NEWSGROUP, A MAN WITH 48" CHEST AND A 36"
WAIST IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE OF ATHLETIC BUILD BY MOST CLOTHING
MANUFACTURERS .......


You may want to check if Cabela's can work up a personalized "Manly but
Svelte" custom embroidery logo for you.

Corporate Sales Department, 1-800-243-6626

JR

"Mark" wrote in message
...
I cannot get over the fact that the high-end wader manufacturers refer to
a
6' man with a 48" inch chest and a 36" waist as "stout," while at the same
time consider a 6'1 man with a 46" inch chest and 42" waist to be of
normal
build (who is in better shape?). IF ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM A WADER
MANUFACTURER HAPPENS TO READ THIS NEWSGROUP, A MAN WITH 48" CHEST AND A
36"
WAIST IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE OF ATHLETIC BUILD BY MOST CLOTHING
MANUFACTURERS (i.e., suits with more than six inches of drop between the
chest and waist size are considered to be athletic-cut). REFERRING TO
THESE
PEOPLE AS "STOUT," WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH "FAT," DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR
SALES.


Never mind tall and fat try short and fat, and with boobs waders are only
designed for whip thin tall titless women.

Jo Foster wrote:

Never mind tall and fat try short and fat, and with boobs waders are only
designed for whip thin tall titless women.

My guess is that the special needs of short, fat, buxom women play
absolutely no role whatsoever in modern wader design.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I have come to the conclusion that the general assumption is no
overweight/short/gravitational appendages type person does anything except
sit in front of the tv.

Yeah right.........

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:45:16 -0700, rw
wrote:

Jo Foster wrote:

Never mind tall and fat try short and fat, and with boobs waders are only
designed for whip thin tall titless women.

My guess is that the special needs of short, fat, buxom women play
absolutely no role whatsoever in modern wader design.


Having tried to find waders for me, I'd say you're correct. I've wound
up with used very tall 'stout' men's sizes. In neoprene. So I'll cut
and paste. I always expected neoprene to get wet until a year or so
ago when I found out, on ROFF, that waders aren't supposed to do that,
so a leak or two at a home glued seam will be okay with me. I've been
comfy enough in pretty cold water dunking in a kayak (I don't do that
any more (the dunking, that is)) on a river early and late in the
year, so wet waders will just be clumsy, not cold. I hope. I haven't
tried it yet, having waded wet in warm weather and stayed on banks in
cold.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

"Jo Foster" wrote in message
Never mind tall and fat try short and fat, and with boobs waders are only
designed for whip thin tall titless women.

I bought a pair of waders for 5'-1" SWMBO, who (it might be argued fits
that description, should I be indiscrete enough to mention it here) would
say that they fit her reasonably well other than being a bit long in the
crotch. They are the inexpensive Orvis breathables, whatever that line was
called, and were sold as women's size small IIRC.

Joe F.

I've been contemplating a new pair of breathables myself.
After studying all of the size charts, I have come to
the conclusion that, of the dimensions listed (shoe size,
inseam, and chest,) I can match exactly two out of three.
I've given up on mail order, and will wait till I can
get to a shop where I can try them on and see which
one fits halfways decently.

Kevin,
13,35,and 44, if you were wondering.