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Old February 24th, 2004, 09:18 PM
riverman
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On 24 Feb 2004 20:07:22 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


Actually its even more shameful than that because that carrier is home
ported in the Puget Sound, not San Diego.



Also that the cameras were carefully manipulated to
avoid showing the San Diego shoreline/skyline behind
them.


The real 'shame' in all of this is that it is just a drop in the bucket of
the manipulation and misinformation that characterizes this presidency.
Sure, politics is full of manipulation, but to actually manipulate the
country into a war, and then pass the blame of his own misinformation onto
another (whatever happened to 'the buck stops here'??)... And this nonsense
about the country being safer: as Ben Franklin said: Anyone who gives up a
little freedom for a little security deserves neither. I'm not at all sure
that we are safer. But I am very certain that we have lost a boatload of
freedoms, and a massive amount of world respect.

Anyone who actually supports the reelection of Bush, with his blatant
economic partisianship, lack of concern for the environment, international
cooperation or public welfare, and with his demonstrated ability to erode
American's freedoms ought to wear a "kick me" button. The man ought to be
impeached.

--riverman



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Old February 24th, 2004, 09:21 PM
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Dave Snedeker writes:

Dave, this is beneath you. Which I say as one who also has said some stupid
**** in the heat of an arguement.


Dave, when the DNC points to Max Cleland and says he gave his limbs for us, he
left his limbs on the battlefield of Vietnam, it is distorting the truth. Max
picked up a grenade and it exploded, and he was not in combat. He does not
have the PH. I am sorry that this accident happened, but he didn't "leave his
limbs on the battlefield".
Dave

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Old February 24th, 2004, 09:25 PM
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Make that read: "He was not in combat when the grenade exploded."



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Old February 24th, 2004, 09:28 PM
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Dave LaCourse wrote:

Dave Snedeker writes:


Dave, this is beneath you. Which I say as one who also has said some stupid
**** in the heat of an arguement.



Dave, when the DNC points to Max Cleland and says he gave his limbs for us, he
left his limbs on the battlefield of Vietnam, it is distorting the truth. Max
picked up a grenade and it exploded, and he was not in combat. He does not
have the PH. I am sorry that this accident happened, but he didn't "leave his
limbs on the battlefield".


So, tell us Louie, where were you ? What rear echelon mother ****ing
job title did YOU hide behind during the Vietnam War ? No, wait, don't
tell us, just wave your limbs at us, asshole.

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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:08 PM
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
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No, wait, don't
tell us, just wave your limbs at us


I hate to go off topic g, but I have a friend who is a triple amputee (both
arms and one leg.) He was involved in a tragic car accident as a teenager, but
feels very fortunate to be alive and still with it. One of the things we do when
we get together (and following a drink or two) is make up "What do you call a
person with no arms and no legs. . ." jokes. Sick, I know, but some are fairly
clever.

You've all heard "What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs in a swimming
pool?"
A: Bob

Here are some more (or less) originals:

What do you call a person with no arms and no legs. . .
.. . . rolling on the beach? A: Sandy
.. . . hanging on the wall? A: Art
.. . . standing in a corn field? A: Colonel
.. . . standing in the middle of a stage? A: Mike
.. . . sitting on the grill? A: Chuck
.. . . in your pocket? A: Penny
.. . . coming over a hill in the east? A: Dawn
.. . . in your mailbox? A: Bill

I could go on, but shouldn't. I have to think up another before my next visit
with him.
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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:21 PM
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Agreed, but the re-bar wasn't a combat wound. If he told the docs it WAS a
combat wound, regardless how he received it, he would have been awarded the

PH.
(He has one anyway.) I have friends that are still carrying small chunks

and
don't have the PH.
Dave


I appreciate his honesty and honor. My records show multiple frag wounds
from a friendly fire episode. They don't show the hostile fire injuries.
Both types were minor compared to lots I saw. One of the Vets service
officers who helped me get my hearing loss compensation told me of men from
WWII who lost limbs in combat situations but will never get their PH's
because no one in authority wrote them up.


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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:25 PM
Dave LaCourse
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Ken Fortenberry writes:

So, tell us Louie, where were you ? What rear echelon mother ****ing
job title did YOU hide behind during the Vietnam War ? No, wait, don't
tell us, just wave your limbs at us, asshole.

--


Well, I sure as hell wasn't wacking people over the head with a 7 iron, you
****ing coward! Back atcha!
Dave

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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:35 PM
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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Make that read: "He was not in combat when the grenade exploded."


You are starting to sound like Clinton's lawyer. Ideology will do that.

Dave
Ideology requires good men say things they will regret.


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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:38 PM
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The Pirate notes:
At any rate, it almost doesn't matter to me anymore. Getting too old I
guess.


yeah, who cares if your grandkids are paying out the wazoo to support a tax cut
for Ken Lay during a National Security Crisis? Therein lies the big crime.
Everyone blathers about how 9/11 changed everything....sure didn't change
Shrub's mind on rewarding his rich pals, did it?
Such patriotism! BTW, before anyone making less than $100,000 per annum tells
me about the wondrous tax cuts the middle class received, please do the math
and subtract figures for state, local tax increases, as well as increased user
fees and taxes on luxuries. Also, please subtract adequate amount for future
debt service, and then tell me how much this tax cut helps us all.
Tom
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Old February 24th, 2004, 10:40 PM
Tom Littleton
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Mark Anderson notes:
Geez, when I was student back then, just smoking grass didn't count as being
"drugged out." :-)


more of a pastime when you couldn't get your hands on good drugs.....
Tom
 




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