OT American Taliban in Congress and the White House

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:03:23 -0700, rw
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Fiscal conservatism? Are you aware of which way the deficit is headed,
taking Social Security along with it?

Anyone counting on SS payments more than 10 years out
is crazy: the boys in the administration playing with
our futures are busy killing any chance that there will
be any money to pay anyone, or any money worth anything
to pay to anyone.


Yeah, both parties have killed any chance of SS weathering
the coming baby-boomer retirements. I was surprised to
find that Greenspan, back in 1983, actually put in place a measure that
would have gotten us through this, collecting extra money while
the boomers are working. Of course the politicians (being politicians)
promptly spent every last extra cent of it.

No one, from either party, has had the guts to make the hard changes
needed. I'm actually curious to see how this all plays out, but I'm
confident of one thing. My generation will be the ones paying for it
all.

Yay!,
- Ken

rw:
Right you are. Back in Teddy Roosevelt's time.
If Barry Goldwater were alive today, he'd be a Democrat.

Do you mean in the McCain sort or manner?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

rw wrote:
lid wrote:

Once upon a time those were the cornerstones of the Republican
platform.

Right you are. Back in Teddy Roosevelt's time. ...

Saw a Theodore Rossevelt quote the other day that is as apropos
today as it was when it was uttered in 1918:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president,
or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

--
Ken Fortenberry

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...
...My generation will be the ones paying for it
all.

EVERY generation has been "the ones paying for it all", whatever the
"it" du jour may have been. Life ain't free. Get used to it.

Wolfgang

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:08:12 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

rw wrote:
lid wrote:

Once upon a time those were the cornerstones of the Republican
platform.

Right you are. Back in Teddy Roosevelt's time. ...

Saw a Theodore Rossevelt quote the other day that is as apropos
today as it was when it was uttered in 1918:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president,
or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt


You didn't post that in 1998 ;-)

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
rw wrote:
lid wrote:

Once upon a time those were the cornerstones of the Republican
platform.

Right you are. Back in Teddy Roosevelt's time. ...

Saw a Theodore Rossevelt quote the other day that is as apropos
today as it was when it was uttered in 1918:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president,
or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt

Here's another that's also quite apropos:
"If [peace activists] could only be prevailed upon to sum up eloquently the many
unspeakable miseries and horrors of War, and to present them to their own
country as a conclusive reason for its being undefended against War, and
becoming a prey of the first despot who might choose to inflict those miseries
and horrors- why then I really believe we should have got to the very best joke
we could hope to have in our whole Complete Jest Book for Posterity and might
fold our arms and rest convinced that we had done enough for that discerning
Patriarch's amusement."
--Theodore Roosevelt
--
TL,
Tim
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rw:
Our present administration
should take a page from Teddy's playbook, instead of blustering with
tough talk and overextending our military, our treasury, and our
credibility on reckless foreign adventures

Of course, there was that little shindig that came to be known as San Juan
Hill, some construction project in what became Panama, and the round the
world trip of the Great White Fleet. But the more I learn about TR the more
I'm convinced that we need another like him. Sooner, rather than later,
would be best.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

slenon wrote:

rw:

Our present administration
should take a page from Teddy's playbook, instead of blustering with
tough talk and overextending our military, our treasury, and our
credibility on reckless foreign adventures


Of course, there was that little shindig that came to be known as San Juan
Hill, some construction project in what became Panama, and the round the
world trip of the Great White Fleet. But the more I learn about TR the more
I'm convinced that we need another like him. Sooner, rather than later,
would be best.


Do you think that today, a man like him could even get to the position
where he could be a candidate for President in one of the major
parties?

Willi

Willi wrote:

Do you think that today, a man like him could even get to the position
where he could be a candidate for President in one of the major
parties?

Certainly. Teddy Roosevelt was a New York City aristocrat, but he had
the common touch. He was worshiped by his Rough Riders and by the
working men he met and employed on his Dakota ranch. He conquered
childhood illness and a class-based tendency toward snobbery. He stood
up to the railroad and coal trusts, who were the natural constituency of
his Republican Party. He was an honest and fearless man.

The fundamental aspect of his popularity was that he was a "no bull****"
guy. His personal courage and honesty were beyond question. It also
didn't hurt his cause that he understood how to manipulate the press.

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rw wrote:

Willi wrote:


Do you think that today, a man like him could even get to the position
where he could be a candidate for President in one of the major
parties?


Certainly. ...

I don't think so. There is no way that Teddy could have been a candidate
for the presidency in his own era, much less ours. He was a loose cannon
and an outspoken burr in the saddle of his own party. Boss Tom Platt made
him vice-president just to get him out of the New York governor's mansion
and stick him somewhere where he couldn't do much damage. If not for the
assassination of William McKinley, Teddy would never have been president.

--
Ken Fortenberry