surf line

Hello,

Back in the States again and got my tackle out of storage, which
includes a Penn jig master 505. It has old mono on it which has taken
a serious 'set' which I want to replace and wonder what the latest or
best line to use. I saw some braided lines at Walmart which are
suprisingly thin, but wonder how they cast [I used to get better than
300ft under a light favoring wind with Ande mono]. Spool/plate
clearance may be a problem with the thin stuff because I had to go
above 20lb mono so as not to concern myself with an errant loop on a
pump retrieve.

Also, I stripped the reel to remove the old grease and oil. Is
silicone the way to go now?

Thanks.

Jan

Most folks here use a 40 or 50 pound monofilament shock leader tied to a
20 pound mono main line for surf casting. Make the leader long enough to take a
few wraps around the reel while casting, and tie it with an Albright knot.
This
way you can put a lot of muscle into the cast without breaking the leader.

I use the braided line for bottom fishing in deep water, and trolling "way
back"
behind the boat where the line's stiffness will help in setting the hook.

Regards,
Cliff


Fishing: "a sport surrounded entirely by liars in old clothes"

Try Yozuri 25 lb. smoke fluorocarbon it's soft but tuff. or
green trilene "big game" 20 lb.both have the same dia. +-
and won't get between the spool and the body. I have a pair of squidders,
one is 10 years old and the other 5 years old. I use penn oil and
just a little goes a long way. No body in that silicone stuff.. It may
repell water but thats all. Stop in at http://sea4two.net and check out the
other fishing information. Hope I have helped.
Allen

"jan" wrote in message
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Hello,

Back in the States again and got my tackle out of storage, which
includes a Penn jig master 505. It has old mono on it which has taken
a serious 'set' which I want to replace and wonder what the latest or
best line to use. I saw some braided lines at Walmart which are
suprisingly thin, but wonder how they cast [I used to get better than
300ft under a light favoring wind with Ande mono]. Spool/plate
clearance may be a problem with the thin stuff because I had to go
above 20lb mono so as not to concern myself with an errant loop on a
pump retrieve.

Also, I stripped the reel to remove the old grease and oil. Is
silicone the way to go now?

Thanks.

Jan

Jan,

If you decided to go with the braid line, either back the line with a few
wraps of mono before spooling the braid line or use tape on the reel. Braid
line will slip around the reel if not spooled properly. Yes, the braid
lines are smaller in diameter when compared test pound to test pound. If
you want something that is equivalent in mono, just step up on the size of
the braided. You will also need to use certain type of knots, one being the
palomor knot and other that works well to tie to the mono backing is the
double uni knot.
See http://www.powerpro.com/advantage/knots.asp for information. These
knots work on all braid lines.


Most of the guides that fish in this area either coastal or offshore use
either Trilene Big Game or Big Game Supreme due to its abrasion resistance
with oyster shells and rig pilings.

Sarge

The first spool of braided line I bought came with a small tube of
cyanoacrylate
"super glue". This line is very slippery, and I always glue the knots to make
sure they don't come untied.

Regards,
Cliff


Fishing: "a sport surrounded entirely by liars in old clothes"

In article ,
"Sarge" wrote in response to
29 May 2004 07:18:31 -0700, (jan):

If you decided to go with the braid line, either back the line with a few
wraps of mono before spooling the braid line or use tape on the reel. Braid
line will slip around the reel if not spooled properly. Yes, the braid
lines are smaller in diameter when compared test pound to test pound. If
you want something that is equivalent in mono, just step up on the size of
the braided. You will also need to use certain type of knots, one being the
palomor knot and other that works well to tie to the mono backing is the
double uni knot.

One other note on braided lines, particularly with bait casting reels is
that the line should be kept tight on the spool. If the line gets to
loose and you put pressure while fighting a fish it can dig into the
spooled line.

I have been reluctant to spool up a baitcaster because of this but
finally did so on one of my flats outfits and it has worked well. I have
not had any episodes so far but the the slick and tough characteristics
of the braid could make it easier to remove some tangles.

I was pulling line off of a spinning reel after noting a loop while
washing the outfit in the shower after a trip. I started pulling line
off and it was of course much deeper than I thought and I did not have
good sense to stop. The line fell loosely on the shower floor which was
bad and then even worse the water flow pushed it around. Surprisingly it
all came up pretty well. Except for one loop which tightened up into a
not I could not pick. I got frustrated finally and just gave the loose
ends a jerk assuming I would break the line. The loop pulled out
instantly. Mono would have no doubt broken.

I have also had good results with the Berkley IronSilk. It is a very
slick line. I have not really tested the abrasion resistance as I use a
shock leader. What I have found is that it will lose strength with
age/use it appears. Not sure if it is exposure to light, water, line
treatment (Reel Magic) or other. I had a problem retying a leader. I
replaced the line (with the braid) and found that the line deep in the
spool where I left a base for the braid still proved strong as I joined
the lines. I have used only 10# or smaller of the IronSilk.

Good Fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com

joe wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Sarge" wrote in response to
29 May 2004 07:18:31 -0700, (jan):

If you decided to go with the braid line, either back the line with a few
wraps of mono before spooling the braid line or use tape on the reel. Braid
line will slip around the reel if not spooled properly. Yes, the braid
lines are smaller in diameter when compared test pound to test pound. If
you want something that is equivalent in mono, just step up on the size of
the braided. You will also need to use certain type of knots, one being the
palomor knot and other that works well to tie to the mono backing is the
double uni knot.

One other note on braided lines, particularly with bait casting reels is
that the line should be kept tight on the spool. If the line gets to
loose and you put pressure while fighting a fish it can dig into the
spooled line.

I have been reluctant to spool up a baitcaster because of this but
finally did so on one of my flats outfits and it has worked well. I have
not had any episodes so far but the the slick and tough characteristics
of the braid could make it easier to remove some tangles.

I was pulling line off of a spinning reel after noting a loop while
washing the outfit in the shower after a trip. I started pulling line
off and it was of course much deeper than I thought and I did not have
good sense to stop. The line fell loosely on the shower floor which was
bad and then even worse the water flow pushed it around. Surprisingly it
all came up pretty well. Except for one loop which tightened up into a
not I could not pick. I got frustrated finally and just gave the loose
ends a jerk assuming I would break the line. The loop pulled out
instantly. Mono would have no doubt broken.

I have also had good results with the Berkley IronSilk. It is a very
slick line. I have not really tested the abrasion resistance as I use a
shock leader. What I have found is that it will lose strength with
age/use it appears. Not sure if it is exposure to light, water, line
treatment (Reel Magic) or other. I had a problem retying a leader. I
replaced the line (with the braid) and found that the line deep in the
spool where I left a base for the braid still proved strong as I joined
the lines. I have used only 10# or smaller of the IronSilk.

Good Fishin'

atljoe

THanks guys,

Good info. I'm not familiar with some of the brand names.

I was hoping for a consensus on the braided line for distance casting
because of its low stretch. Is there a site or ng that deals mostly
with surf casting?


Jan

In article ,
(jan) wrote:

I was hoping for a consensus on the braided line for distance casting
because of its low stretch. Is there a site or ng that deals mostly
with surf casting?

This is a Florida site but it has great information from some hardcore
surf anglers.

http://surffishingonline.com/store/customer/home.php

Other sites I found:

http://saltfishing.about.com/od/surffishing/

http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/1133/surf.html

http://www.fishseekers.com/search/Fishing/Surf_Fishing/

Hope that helps.

BTW, I would say that the low stretch of the braided line would have
little effect on casting distance. The factors that contribute to
greater distance are the slickness of the line, low line memory, small
diameter and also lower weight. The diameter also should mean less wind
resistance.

Good Fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com

joe wrote in message ...
In article ,
(jan) wrote:

I was hoping for a consensus on the braided line for distance casting
because of its low stretch. Is there a site or ng that deals mostly
with surf casting?

This is a Florida site but it has great information from some hardcore
surf anglers.

http://surffishingonline.com/store/customer/home.php

Other sites I found:

http://saltfishing.about.com/od/surffishing/

http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/1133/surf.html

http://www.fishseekers.com/search/Fishing/Surf_Fishing/

Hope that helps.

BTW, I would say that the low stretch of the braided line would have
little effect on casting distance. The factors that contribute to
greater distance are the slickness of the line, low line memory, small
diameter and also lower weight. The diameter also should mean less wind
resistance.

Good Fishin'

atljoe

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Thanks for the sites Joe.

Quite right about braid and casting distance. But with a lot of line
out, I'm also looking for a more sensitive line [whiting and pompano].
With mono, it's like fishing with a rubberband. And from what I've
read, braid has less memory than mono.

What 'flats' do you fish?

Jan

In article ,
(jan) wrote:

Quite right about braid and casting distance. But with a lot of line
out, I'm also looking for a more sensitive line [whiting and pompano].
With mono, it's like fishing with a rubberband. And from what I've
read, braid has less memory than mono.

What 'flats' do you fish?

exactly correct on the sensitivity; may have misunderstood your previous
comment regarding casting distance.

One thing to keep in mind though with the 'zero stretch' of braided
lines. Soft mouthed species can have the hook pulled through if you use
too much power on a hook set. Also, you can pull your terminal
tackle/bait out of the strike zone with a similar effort of mono
instantly. You do need to fish it a little differently.

I fish mostly the Tampa Bay area as that is my 'home' base. I have
friends in Jacksonville and fish the ICW and backwaters there also. Have
also done some surf fishing with my buddy there who was a surf angler
before getting into kayak fishing. The keys are still a favorite spot
but I do not get there often enough. Basically I will fish anywhere I
can. I do really enjoy the aspects of flats fishing in locating and
stalking the fish. The close contact with the environment, the marine
life and eco-system are always interesting even when you are not
focusing on fish.

Good Fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com