Question About Fluorocarbon Fishing Line & "Leader."

Bill wrote: "Given the same pound test, what is the difference in Berkley®
Vanish Fluorocarbon (or any fluorocarbon for that matter) sold as "Leader"
material in 15 yard spools for $20 and Berkley Fluorocarbon that is sold on
bulk spools of 300 yards for $12?"

The price

It is market that way because some people do not want to spool their reels
with fluorocarbon but still want to use a little for a leader. The spools
are smaller so they take up less room in the tackle box. It is part of the
marketing strategy to make you think it is specific designed as leader
material.

If you want to buy in bulk and keep the spool at the house and carry some
for use as leaders try wounding some around a thread spool. There is
usually a small slot to slip the end over to keep it from unraveling in your
tackle box.

Sarge

"Sarge" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote: "Given the same pound test, what is the difference in Berkley®
Vanish Fluorocarbon (or any fluorocarbon for that matter) sold as "Leader"
material in 15 yard spools for $20 and Berkley Fluorocarbon that is sold
on
bulk spools of 300 yards for $12?"

The price

It is market that way because some people do not want to spool their reels
with fluorocarbon but still want to use a little for a leader. The spools
are smaller so they take up less room in the tackle box. It is part of
the
marketing strategy to make you think it is specific designed as leader
material.

If you want to buy in bulk and keep the spool at the house and carry some
for use as leaders try wounding some around a thread spool. There is
usually a small slot to slip the end over to keep it from unraveling in
your
tackle box.

Sarge



Leader material is normally stiffer than fishing line. And from my fishing
friends, they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot. And not at the knots. I use
Izorline hybrid on reels, and Seaguar 100% Flourcarbon for leader material.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...
Leader material is normally stiffer than fishing line. And from my
fishing friends, they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot. And not at the
knots. I use Izorline hybrid on reels, and Seaguar 100% Flourcarbon for
leader material.

I'm currently using Vanish 8# and have had a lot of luck with it. It does
seem to give a bit easier than I want but if you set the drag right it does
it job well. Personally, I've been turned onto Excalibur by a friend of mine
and think it's probably one of the best lines I've used.

Christopher

There is more to leaders than just breaking strength. There is also
resistance to abrasion, stiffness, knotting, etc. Rio markets three
different types of 100% fluorocarbon. The older Fluorocarbon Plus is
probably the best for most fishermen because of its abrasion reistance and
price.
However if you buy a 4 pound fluorocarbon line and you test it and it
breaks near 4 pounds, you shouldn't complain about its lack of strength.
Lines are supposed to break near their stated breaking point. I'm not sure
that stiffness is an important consideration in anything except fly fishing.

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"Sarge" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote: "Given the same pound test, what is the difference in Berkley®
Vanish Fluorocarbon (or any fluorocarbon for that matter) sold as "Leader"
material in 15 yard spools for $20 and Berkley Fluorocarbon that is sold
on
bulk spools of 300 yards for $12?"

The price

It is market that way because some people do not want to spool their reels
with fluorocarbon but still want to use a little for a leader. The spools
are smaller so they take up less room in the tackle box. It is part of
the
marketing strategy to make you think it is specific designed as leader
material.

If you want to buy in bulk and keep the spool at the house and carry some
for use as leaders try wounding some around a thread spool. There is
usually a small slot to slip the end over to keep it from unraveling in
your
tackle box.

Sarge

In article et, "Calif Bill"
writes:

they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot

I used Vanish for a couple of years with no problems, but last year I
bought
some Vanish that would break in my hands when I tied a knot. Maybe it was
just a bad batch, but I haven't used it since.

Regards,
Cliff


Fishing: "a sport surrounded entirely by liars in old clothes"

In article et, "Calif Bill"
writes:

they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot

I used Vanish for a couple of years with no problems, but last year I
bought
some Vanish that would break in my hands when I tied a knot. Maybe it was
just a bad batch, but I haven't used it since.

Regards,
Cliff


Fishing: "a sport surrounded entirely by liars in old clothes"

In article et,
"Calif Bill" wrote:

Leader material is normally stiffer than fishing line. And from my fishing
friends, they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot. And not at the knots. I use
Izorline hybrid on reels, and Seaguar 100% Flourcarbon for leader material.

That has been my experience also. I could not vouch for the difference
(maybe contact Berkley) but even though Vanish is fluorocarbon is does
not work as leader. However, I think I recall that there is a Vanish
that is labeled as leader material. I typically use Seaguar as Calif
Bill notes.

good fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com

I also stick to Seaguar for leaders, but mostly because it seems to hold a
knot better.
Jim

"joe" wrote in message
...
In article et,
"Calif Bill" wrote:

Leader material is normally stiffer than fishing line. And from my
fishing
friends, they say avoid Vanish. Breaks a lot. And not at the knots. I
use
Izorline hybrid on reels, and Seaguar 100% Flourcarbon for leader
material.

That has been my experience also. I could not vouch for the difference
(maybe contact Berkley) but even though Vanish is fluorocarbon is does
not work as leader. However, I think I recall that there is a Vanish
that is labeled as leader material. I typically use Seaguar as Calif
Bill notes.

good fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com

Here is the reply from Berkley

Vanish leader material has an extra additive that makes it a bit more
abrasion resistant. It also has a larger diameter.
Good Fishing,

Jammie Wackerbarth :-)
Customer Service Representative
http://www.purefishing.com

In article ,
"Sarge" wrote:

Here is the reply from Berkley

Vanish leader material has an extra additive that makes it a bit more
abrasion resistant. It also has a larger diameter.
Good Fishing,

Jammie Wackerbarth :-)
Customer Service Representative
http://www.purefishing.com

Interesting; thanks for the followup Sarge.

I do wonder though if they might help themselves by noting that the
Vanish running line is not intended to be used for leader even though it
is fluorocarbon. I have heard comments from many I fish with and read
similar in various online forums that gives Vanish a bad rep as it was
used for leader. Maybe anglers should be more realistic but I think the
economical price for fluorocarbon makes it attractive to try.

I would also add that when I tried the twenty pound test Vanish running
line it was failing on smaller fish that would not have provided enough
pull so it must be an abrasion related failure. The qualities you
reported for leader would resolve those issues.

Good Fishin'

atljoe
--
"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com