Will 4lb Fireline spook trout?

"CR" wrote...
I'm sorry that this is not a fly fishing question, but it is a trout
question. Will 4lb smoke colored Fireline scare trout? I normally fish
for smallmouth and will be on a trout stream in a few weeks. The
Fireline is much thinner than 4 lb mono or fluoro but not clear. Plus
it casts farther. I'm wondering if the casting distance, plus the
"thinness" will make up for the lack of "clearness".

I used 4lb test in several different colors for trout spin fishing for years
without problem. I do, however, HATE the Firewire line in the lower test
strengths because the stuff reacts like a watch spring on the reel spool. But,
hey, if you already use it and like it for bass, it should work okay for trout.
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You can only try to find out. There are two completely different ideas on
what spooks a fish. The most common is that the fish sees the tippet, or
line that the fly is tied to, and gets scared off. The people who believe
this try to use the finest tippet, and the most transparent. Fluorocarbon
has an index of refraction very close to water and is more difficult for a
fish to see than the more common nylon. It is hard to say what the index of
refraction of Fireline is , but it is probably not very good for stealth .

Others believe that the fish is not scared off by the sight of the tippet,
but by the drag that it might cause on the fly. the stiffer it is, the more
likely it is that it will drag on the fly. Also the thicker it is , the
more likely it will cause drag. Is Fireline very supple?

There is no good answer to this controversy, so give it a try and let us
know how it works. However, you might want to carry some nylon or fluoro
tippet just in case

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"CR" wrote in message
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I'm sorry that this is not a fly fishing question, but it is a trout
question. Will 4lb smoke colored Fireline scare trout? I normally fish
for smallmouth and will be on a trout stream in a few weeks. The
Fireline is much thinner than 4 lb mono or fluoro but not clear. Plus
it casts farther. I'm wondering if the casting distance, plus the
"thinness" will make up for the lack of "clearness".

Thanks!

Chuck.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Sierra fisher wrote:

There is no good answer to this controversy, so give it a try and let us
know how it works. However, you might want to carry some nylon or fluoro
tippet just in case

Use double uniknots to connect fireline to monofilament.
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Sierra fisher wrote:

There is no good answer to this controversy, so give it a try and let us
know how it works. However, you might want to carry some nylon or fluoro
tippet just in case

Use double uniknots to connect fireline to monofilament.
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Sierra fisher wrote:

There is no good answer to this controversy, so give it a try and let us
know how it works. However, you might want to carry some nylon or fluoro
tippet just in case

Use double uniknots to connect fireline to monofilament.

I've been experimenting around with almost every possible combination
of line known to man. Mono stretches too much for good hooksets with
texas rigged plastics. Powerpro doesn't cast far enough for me and
seemed to reduce the number of hits. I just tried 6lb fireline with
6lb stren recently and thought I had reached line nirvana. I can cast
it a mile and the fluoro is almost invisible. Then I lost a few fish
from the leader breaking at the double uni knot. I tried breaking the
double uni with my hands and found it broke really easily. I tried the
double uni, J Bend, surgeon's knot and stren knot and they all break
easily compared to trying to break straight line. I even tried 20
power pro with 10 lb stren fluoro and it breaks easily also. I think
the braid saws through the fluoro. That's why I'm thinking about using
straight Fireline.

There is no doubt that GSP or Fireline will eat through the mono or fluor.
For some loop to loop connections in fly fishig, people have taken to making
a 'sleeve" of braided line over the GSP, and then making a loop. Then they
make a loop in the leader, tippet, or line which does not have to come in
direct contact with the GSP

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Sierra fisher wrote:

There is no good answer to this controversy, so give it a try and let
us
know how it works. However, you might want to carry some nylon or
fluoro
tippet just in case

Use double uniknots to connect fireline to monofilament.

I've been experimenting around with almost every possible combination
of line known to man. Mono stretches too much for good hooksets with
texas rigged plastics. Powerpro doesn't cast far enough for me and
seemed to reduce the number of hits. I just tried 6lb fireline with
6lb stren recently and thought I had reached line nirvana. I can cast
it a mile and the fluoro is almost invisible. Then I lost a few fish
from the leader breaking at the double uni knot. I tried breaking the
double uni with my hands and found it broke really easily. I tried the
double uni, J Bend, surgeon's knot and stren knot and they all break
easily compared to trying to break straight line. I even tried 20
power pro with 10 lb stren fluoro and it breaks easily also. I think
the braid saws through the fluoro. That's why I'm thinking about using
straight Fireline.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, CR wrote:

Then I lost a few fish from the leader breaking at the double uni knot.
I tried breaking the double uni with my hands and found it broke really
easily. I tried the double uni, J Bend, surgeon's knot and stren knot
and they all break easily compared to trying to break straight line.

When you say uniknot is this the same as the one shown on the following
page?

http://www.steelheader.net/knots/double_uni.htm

Try doubling the Fireline section.
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, GregP wrote:

One thing to think about: fireline has a
habit of slipping on the spool, so it is usually a
good idea to put down 10-15 yds of mono first,
attach the Fireline to that, and then fill up the
rest of the spool.

First time that happended to me was while I was night fishing. I kept
cranking but the line kept being pulled off the reel. It was dark so I
just figured my reel had broken.
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, CR wrote:
You mean double the Fireline before I begin tying and then treat the
doubled section as if it were just a single strand?

Yes. Make sure that the mono portion of the double uniknot is wrapped
around a straight portion of the Fireline. Each uniknot should form a
"barrel" around the standing line. Since the Fireline is limp the mono
uniknot can easily get twisted up with the Fireline which results in a
weak connection. Here is a little tip from Ralph Cutter's excellent book
"Sierra Trout Guide": Forget the mono leader. Go to the fly shop and buy
some caddis larvae flies. Ask for the "uncased" variety. Some caddis
larvae build little "houses" out of stone or wood and live inside them.
The free-living caddis don't have such a case. Put some split shot about
18 inches up from the fly. Use typewriter correction tape to color the
the last 18" of line white in order to imitate the silken strands that
these little bugs dangle from. Let this tumble downstream (with enought
splt shot to get the fly to the bottom) and see what happens. Check under
the rocks in your river to see if free-living caddis can be found. I
haven't used this tip myself but it would be interesting to see if it
works for you.

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Sam Matthews wrote:

Another reason may be is that I've heard that braided stuff is
stronger than advertised.

I've found that 14 lb Fireline is at least 20 lb breaking strength.

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