Steelhead flies

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:26:12 -0600, Warren wrote:

wrote...
Better question: how does anyone lose that many flies in one season? ;-)

Who says that I lose that many flies?

/daytripper (who's still fishing the flies I tied ten years ago!)

How many days fishing have you had this year again? Two? g

Do you sell any flies? Do you give flies away to friends, family
members, clavesters, etc? Do you trade flies for other stuff? (BTW
Mark, if you are reading this, make sure to bring those tins of Navy
Flake on this steelhead trip.) ****, if I lost my "San Juan" fly box
again, I would probably have lost more flies than you own. It had over
400 flies in it before I even *went* to the San Juan for my first time!
When I lost my dry fly box this year, I probably lost more flies than
you would go through in twelve years given how often you actually
fish..... You simply work too much, man. Seriously. You do. I
remember you posting how much you worked and simply couldn't do it. Get
your ass out here soon. I'll row you around for free just because you
need a damn break. Don't worry about flies, I'll probably take pity on
you and your fly boxes. bseg

Buy a sense of humor - you ran right through this = ;-)
(maybe on eBay?)

fwiw, anyone that has seen the four full-size/double-sided Wheatley's plus the
two quarter-size Wheatleys in my vest could attest to the thousand-odd flies I
carry every time I go out. That's about half what I have "in stock".
No big deal, I tied them over many years.

And, yeah, I work too much and don't fish enough. I got out only about
twenty-four days total for this calendar year including salt water trips.
Thanks for reminding me...

/daytripper (you and Li'l Ricky should get together and have babies ;-)

Here is apicture of the Fly de Jour.

http://www.flyfishusa.com/flies/stl-...tern-butt.html

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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
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I'll look for a pattern but you can see it in this selection of flies.
What
makes it different, is that it is a "lantern" fly; that is it has a very
bright butt. You first put on silver mylar which is very reflective, then
cover it with pink Edge Bright, or anything else that is highly
reflective.
Finish the rest of the body with purple chenile, wrap a silver rib, add a
purple beard, and a white wing. this has been a killer fly on the
Deshutes.
Edge bright comes in hot reds, hot pinks, ornage, greens etc. You can
use
the silver tensil base and edge bright to make any fly a "lantern" fly

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"Warren" wrote in message
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lid wrote...
You have a pretty good selection. I would scratch the Ponois and get
the
rest of the Randall Kauffman flies. You have three of them, Coal
Car,
Signal light and Freight train. There are a few more. Two very good
flies
that you don't have are Purple Peril and Fly de Jour. you should have
a
lot
of black flies, and purple fles, both with white and black wings.
Re size, I would go primarily with 4's, except if the water is very
low.
Then you should have some 6's or low water 4's (much more lightly
dressed).
Most peole beleive that the color of the fly is not important. Other
people
say any color as long as it is black or purple.

Thanks for the info!

Between packing for the trip, unpacking from a recent move and work I
haven't had nearly as much time as I had anticipated to tie flies.
Figure in the amount of time that I have spent trying to "research" 50
lifetimes worth of info on something that is still not understood and
you can basically understand why I feel like a three peckered buck
rabbit during the peak of breeding season. I do have the Undertakers
and Signal Lights done though. :-) I have the materials on hand to tie
Purple Perils, but I don't have a recipe for "Fly de Jour." Do you have
any info? I also received an email that said Green Butt Skunks have
taken more steelhead than any other fly and to make sure that I had some
of those. Any comments?

If anybody has links to cool web sites that have pics and recipes for
steelhead flies, I could really use those too. This is my first trip,
but I plan on making another within a few months. I have soooooo much
to learn....... :-(
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if only you could see and hear warren say what he wrote, you'd know none
of it was mean-spirited or snooty. the problem with this ether. from my
observation, the two of you easily have more flies than me, wayno, pj,
wally (including wally's store inventory) combined. it's also fun
watching you guys tie up flies "on the fly". i think you'd enjoy a trip
out west and some time with warren... he's a fine host, guide, fly tier,
and fly-fishing partner. ... i know he'd enjoy time with you as well.

jeff

daytripper wrote:

On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:49:15 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

if only you could see and hear warren say what he wrote, you'd know none
of it was mean-spirited or snooty. the problem with this ether. from my
observation, the two of you easily have more flies than me, wayno, pj,
wally (including wally's store inventory) combined. it's also fun
watching you guys tie up flies "on the fly". i think you'd enjoy a trip
out west and some time with warren... he's a fine host, guide, fly tier,
and fly-fishing partner. ... i know he'd enjoy time with you as well.

jeff

Aw, hell, jeff, I'm sure Warren's an ok, upright dude, and having lived and
fished out west (Colorado for four years, and Washington for three more, plus
some fishing trips from "back East" to Wyoming/Idaho/Montana/etc) I'm certain
I'd enjoy a trip to his neck of the woods (especially if he rows ;-)

Honestly, if he hadn't poked at the sore spot that is my fishing vs work
"issues" I'd have let it pass completely...

/daytripper (no worries, warren :-)

Try this site:

www.angelfire.com/wa/salmonid/

Has many patterns and instructions. Great site.

"Warren" wrote in message
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I am going steelhead fishing for the first time and was wondering if any
of you could suggest flies. snip

This may be to late for your trip, but I just got back from 2 weeks chasing
Silvers on Kodiak ,so just now saw the post.

The size and fullness of steelhead flys that will be most effective are
primarily dependant on water clarity and temperature. Generally for water
temps over 50deg. and reasonable water clarity, flys in sizes 2-8 will be
most effective. While 6 is a good all around size, I prefer to carry 4's and
8's for the above conditions. Often a fish that swirls at, but doesn't take,
a fly in size 4 will just hammer the same pattern when presented as a follow
up in size 8.
Your list of patterns is good, but as someone has already told you, the
Green Butt Skunk probably has accounted for more summer run pacific
steelhead than any other pattern. Also, the most successful steelhead
fisherman I ever knew carried his fly boxes full of nothing but Skunks - in
sizes from 1-0 to 12, and tied from extremely full to extremely sparce.

Though egg patterns and egg sucking leech patterns will certainly take
summer steelhead, they are generally used for winter runs. They are also
most effectively fished using methods that are less enjoyable (at least to
me) than swinging flies on or near the surface with a dry line.


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Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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