Safe Boat Handling

Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.

I use this link. Under Heavy weather go to page 2 for your answers. I know
that this mostly applies to larger water but the same applies to large chop.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/safetips.htm




"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up
if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but
I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.

I guess we need you to describe how your getting wet?

Is it wind blown spray? Not much you can do about that. Hull shapes
can affect that to a certain extent.

Are you sticking the nose into a wave, maybe clipping off 50 gallons or
so? I learned real quick on a Ranger, that it's easy to do. What the
hull wanted was more speed to bring the bow up and over the waves. A
good hand on the throttle is essential. I know, some folks like a
hotfoot, I don't. I have more control with the hand throttle. I am not
sure just what it was that taught me to handle a bass boat on rough
water. Practice would be first on that list. A desire for a
comfortable ride helps.

I started in a Fisher Marsh Hawk 3V. A 16' Aluminum bass boat,
graduated to a 16'8" Champion and finally my Ranger 481VS. But I have
been fortunate to have driven many more boats. I have ridden with many
other in tournaments. Some good and some not so good. I suppose I
learned a lot about running stump fields and rivers from some of those
folks.

I have been in some scary water. I have also had fun. I can remember
on Rend Lake in Southern Illinois, whooping it up, roller coasting in
the big wide waves coming in for weight-in. While we had a good time,
others showed up wet, trolling motors ripped off mounts, tackle gone,
windshields broken, and scared stiff of that big lake. It was just
timing, on and off the throttle gave us a superb ride in those waves.

Pool 19 on the Mississippi. Day one of a Federation 8 man team event.
I had my little 16'8" Champion. Took a little spray in the boat, and it
was interesting at the ramp with the high current, but I really had no
problem. Other boats were stuck at Navoo, unable to get past the big
waves with the wind blowing into a fast current. Boats were damaged.
One capsized at the ramp. Another hit the Burlington, Iowa bridge and
destroyed the topcap. A member of our team bent a prop shaft hitting
the bottom between the waves. Yet another hit a piece of steel and
punched a 3/4" hole thru the lower unit. I was told that five older
boats became part of the river that day. Day two was canceled. No one
drowned was the best news of the day.

My little Champion was responsive enough with the 150hp Merc, that you
could back off the throttle, almost stopping and hammer it to bring the
bow up for the next wave. You could turn on the wave and run it
lengthwise, turn and go for the next big one at a lower height. Was
great fun to drive, but took longer in the big water. If that boat ever
filled with water, it would have gone to the bottom. It had zero
flotation in it. We took plastic bags and filled them with foam peanuts
and stuffed them in all the inner hull access panels. When the live
well drain broke it came close to flooding the boat. A problem with
older Champ's. It almost became part of the Ohio river, so it was an
incentive to add the foam peanuts in bags.

The worst water for me, is when you have wakes for boats or barges,
along with current, in a channel. Those waves get to bouncing back and
forth and it's simply not a nice place to be. I usually trim down some
and let the V on the hull try to cut it. Rough, real rough. I back off
the throttle a bit to soften it, but you have to keep the bow up also.
A 4 blade prop helps in rough water. Easier to keep the bow up.

Well, the other worst place to be is behind a tow, headed somewhere on
the river in a hurry. They can create waves that cannot be imagined.
Taller than my Ranger is in length. Do not get between one and the
riverbank. They can put you high and dry if your not careful.

The worst beatings I took was always with other people. I got my calves
bruised black and blue in a Ranger 362 on the Ohio river. I swore I
would never, ever ride with the guy again. Had those flip down seats,
which made for a nice open layout, but it bounced my calves against the
fuel tanks we were sitting on. Could not hardly walk for a week. No
need to drive wide open in windblown waves. Ego problem.

I always try to keep and eye on what's out a ways, with most of my
attention on the here and now stuff. But you don't want to be caught by
surprise. If you know that it's bad where you are, think ahead to where
you may have to change direction. Are you going to be able to make that
turn, or come around a point and have waves twice as tall. What about
water that is just a few feet deep out in the middle of the lake. In
big waves, there may be no water in the troughs. Same with points on a
lake. Those stump covered points you can normally run right over, may
have 3 foot wide stumps out in the air between waves.

You know, I would rather run rough water on any lake really, than rising
water on a river. Problem with rivers is trash in the water. You can
pull into a slough on the river one day and see 500, 50 to 100 foot tall
cottonwood trees stacked up in there from a flood. A week later another
flood might have floated them and washed them all downriver. Right in
the main channel where your running from a tournament launch. I have
seen boats that have hit wing dams and big trees. You can bend a
Mercury where the lower unit attaches to the powerhead. And it will
still run. Not very well, but it will get you home. Well, maybe not
always. LOL

Not sure what anyone will learn from my ramblings. I guess they will
say that I have a lot of experience. Sorry I don't articulate it well.

Carlos

I guess we need you to describe how your getting wet?

Is it wind blown spray? Not much you can do about that. Hull shapes
can affect that to a certain extent.

Are you sticking the nose into a wave, maybe clipping off 50 gallons or
so? I learned real quick on a Ranger, that it's easy to do. What the
hull wanted was more speed to bring the bow up and over the waves. A
good hand on the throttle is essential. I know, some folks like a
hotfoot, I don't. I have more control with the hand throttle. I am not
sure just what it was that taught me to handle a bass boat on rough
water. Practice would be first on that list. A desire for a
comfortable ride helps.

I started in a Fisher Marsh Hawk 3V. A 16' Aluminum bass boat,
graduated to a 16'8" Champion and finally my Ranger 481VS. But I have
been fortunate to have driven many more boats. I have ridden with many
other in tournaments. Some good and some not so good. I suppose I
learned a lot about running stump fields and rivers from some of those
folks.

I have been in some scary water. I have also had fun. I can remember
on Rend Lake in Southern Illinois, whooping it up, roller coasting in
the big wide waves coming in for weight-in. While we had a good time,
others showed up wet, trolling motors ripped off mounts, tackle gone,
windshields broken, and scared stiff of that big lake. It was just
timing, on and off the throttle gave us a superb ride in those waves.

Pool 19 on the Mississippi. Day one of a Federation 8 man team event.
I had my little 16'8" Champion. Took a little spray in the boat, and it
was interesting at the ramp with the high current, but I really had no
problem. Other boats were stuck at Navoo, unable to get past the big
waves with the wind blowing into a fast current. Boats were damaged.
One capsized at the ramp. Another hit the Burlington, Iowa bridge and
destroyed the topcap. A member of our team bent a prop shaft hitting
the bottom between the waves. Yet another hit a piece of steel and
punched a 3/4" hole thru the lower unit. I was told that five older
boats became part of the river that day. Day two was canceled. No one
drowned was the best news of the day.

My little Champion was responsive enough with the 150hp Merc, that you
could back off the throttle, almost stopping and hammer it to bring the
bow up for the next wave. You could turn on the wave and run it
lengthwise, turn and go for the next big one at a lower height. Was
great fun to drive, but took longer in the big water. If that boat ever
filled with water, it would have gone to the bottom. It had zero
flotation in it. We took plastic bags and filled them with foam peanuts
and stuffed them in all the inner hull access panels. When the live
well drain broke it came close to flooding the boat. A problem with
older Champ's. It almost became part of the Ohio river, so it was an
incentive to add the foam peanuts in bags.

The worst water for me, is when you have wakes for boats or barges,
along with current, in a channel. Those waves get to bouncing back and
forth and it's simply not a nice place to be. I usually trim down some
and let the V on the hull try to cut it. Rough, real rough. I back off
the throttle a bit to soften it, but you have to keep the bow up also.
A 4 blade prop helps in rough water. Easier to keep the bow up.

Well, the other worst place to be is behind a tow, headed somewhere on
the river in a hurry. They can create waves that cannot be imagined.
Taller than my Ranger is in length. Do not get between one and the
riverbank. They can put you high and dry if your not careful.

The worst beatings I took was always with other people. I got my calves
bruised black and blue in a Ranger 362 on the Ohio river. I swore I
would never, ever ride with the guy again. Had those flip down seats,
which made for a nice open layout, but it bounced my calves against the
fuel tanks we were sitting on. Could not hardly walk for a week. No
need to drive wide open in windblown waves. Ego problem.

I always try to keep and eye on what's out a ways, with most of my
attention on the here and now stuff. But you don't want to be caught by
surprise. If you know that it's bad where you are, think ahead to where
you may have to change direction. Are you going to be able to make that
turn, or come around a point and have waves twice as tall. What about
water that is just a few feet deep out in the middle of the lake. In
big waves, there may be no water in the troughs. Same with points on a
lake. Those stump covered points you can normally run right over, may
have 3 foot wide stumps out in the air between waves.

You know, I would rather run rough water on any lake really, than rising
water on a river. Problem with rivers is trash in the water. You can
pull into a slough on the river one day and see 500, 50 to 100 foot tall
cottonwood trees stacked up in there from a flood. A week later another
flood might have floated them and washed them all downriver. Right in
the main channel where your running from a tournament launch. I have
seen boats that have hit wing dams and big trees. You can bend a
Mercury where the lower unit attaches to the powerhead. And it will
still run. Not very well, but it will get you home. Well, maybe not
always. LOL

Not sure what anyone will learn from my ramblings. I guess they will
say that I have a lot of experience. Sorry I don't articulate it well.

Carlos

Just reading that gets my heart pumping, and gets me missing my Ranger and
hitting the Waves on Winnebago :-)

Chris
"Carlos" wrote in message
...
I guess we need you to describe how your getting wet?

Is it wind blown spray? Not much you can do about that. Hull shapes
can affect that to a certain extent.

Are you sticking the nose into a wave, maybe clipping off 50 gallons or
so? I learned real quick on a Ranger, that it's easy to do. What the
hull wanted was more speed to bring the bow up and over the waves. A
good hand on the throttle is essential. I know, some folks like a
hotfoot, I don't. I have more control with the hand throttle. I am not
sure just what it was that taught me to handle a bass boat on rough
water. Practice would be first on that list. A desire for a
comfortable ride helps.

I started in a Fisher Marsh Hawk 3V. A 16' Aluminum bass boat,
graduated to a 16'8" Champion and finally my Ranger 481VS. But I have
been fortunate to have driven many more boats. I have ridden with many
other in tournaments. Some good and some not so good. I suppose I
learned a lot about running stump fields and rivers from some of those
folks.

I have been in some scary water. I have also had fun. I can remember
on Rend Lake in Southern Illinois, whooping it up, roller coasting in
the big wide waves coming in for weight-in. While we had a good time,
others showed up wet, trolling motors ripped off mounts, tackle gone,
windshields broken, and scared stiff of that big lake. It was just
timing, on and off the throttle gave us a superb ride in those waves.

Pool 19 on the Mississippi. Day one of a Federation 8 man team event.
I had my little 16'8" Champion. Took a little spray in the boat, and it
was interesting at the ramp with the high current, but I really had no
problem. Other boats were stuck at Navoo, unable to get past the big
waves with the wind blowing into a fast current. Boats were damaged.
One capsized at the ramp. Another hit the Burlington, Iowa bridge and
destroyed the topcap. A member of our team bent a prop shaft hitting
the bottom between the waves. Yet another hit a piece of steel and
punched a 3/4" hole thru the lower unit. I was told that five older
boats became part of the river that day. Day two was canceled. No one
drowned was the best news of the day.

My little Champion was responsive enough with the 150hp Merc, that you
could back off the throttle, almost stopping and hammer it to bring the
bow up for the next wave. You could turn on the wave and run it
lengthwise, turn and go for the next big one at a lower height. Was
great fun to drive, but took longer in the big water. If that boat ever
filled with water, it would have gone to the bottom. It had zero
flotation in it. We took plastic bags and filled them with foam peanuts
and stuffed them in all the inner hull access panels. When the live
well drain broke it came close to flooding the boat. A problem with
older Champ's. It almost became part of the Ohio river, so it was an
incentive to add the foam peanuts in bags.

The worst water for me, is when you have wakes for boats or barges,
along with current, in a channel. Those waves get to bouncing back and
forth and it's simply not a nice place to be. I usually trim down some
and let the V on the hull try to cut it. Rough, real rough. I back off
the throttle a bit to soften it, but you have to keep the bow up also.
A 4 blade prop helps in rough water. Easier to keep the bow up.

Well, the other worst place to be is behind a tow, headed somewhere on
the river in a hurry. They can create waves that cannot be imagined.
Taller than my Ranger is in length. Do not get between one and the
riverbank. They can put you high and dry if your not careful.

The worst beatings I took was always with other people. I got my calves
bruised black and blue in a Ranger 362 on the Ohio river. I swore I
would never, ever ride with the guy again. Had those flip down seats,
which made for a nice open layout, but it bounced my calves against the
fuel tanks we were sitting on. Could not hardly walk for a week. No
need to drive wide open in windblown waves. Ego problem.

I always try to keep and eye on what's out a ways, with most of my
attention on the here and now stuff. But you don't want to be caught by
surprise. If you know that it's bad where you are, think ahead to where
you may have to change direction. Are you going to be able to make that
turn, or come around a point and have waves twice as tall. What about
water that is just a few feet deep out in the middle of the lake. In
big waves, there may be no water in the troughs. Same with points on a
lake. Those stump covered points you can normally run right over, may
have 3 foot wide stumps out in the air between waves.

You know, I would rather run rough water on any lake really, than rising
water on a river. Problem with rivers is trash in the water. You can
pull into a slough on the river one day and see 500, 50 to 100 foot tall
cottonwood trees stacked up in there from a flood. A week later another
flood might have floated them and washed them all downriver. Right in
the main channel where your running from a tournament launch. I have
seen boats that have hit wing dams and big trees. You can bend a
Mercury where the lower unit attaches to the powerhead. And it will
still run. Not very well, but it will get you home. Well, maybe not
always. LOL

Not sure what anyone will learn from my ramblings. I guess they will
say that I have a lot of experience. Sorry I don't articulate it well.

Carlos

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:32:59 -0500, "Chris Rennert"
sent into the ether:

Just reading that gets my heart pumping, and gets me missing my Ranger and
hitting the Waves on Winnebago :-)

Chris, bring it on up here and I'll throw the 25 on it for a day of
fishing :}


Chris
"Carlos" wrote in message
...
I guess we need you to describe how your getting wet?

Is it wind blown spray? Not much you can do about that. Hull shapes
can affect that to a certain extent.

Are you sticking the nose into a wave, maybe clipping off 50 gallons or
so? I learned real quick on a Ranger, that it's easy to do. What the
hull wanted was more speed to bring the bow up and over the waves. A
good hand on the throttle is essential. I know, some folks like a
hotfoot, I don't. I have more control with the hand throttle. I am not
sure just what it was that taught me to handle a bass boat on rough
water. Practice would be first on that list. A desire for a
comfortable ride helps.

I started in a Fisher Marsh Hawk 3V. A 16' Aluminum bass boat,
graduated to a 16'8" Champion and finally my Ranger 481VS. But I have
been fortunate to have driven many more boats. I have ridden with many
other in tournaments. Some good and some not so good. I suppose I
learned a lot about running stump fields and rivers from some of those
folks.

I have been in some scary water. I have also had fun. I can remember
on Rend Lake in Southern Illinois, whooping it up, roller coasting in
the big wide waves coming in for weight-in. While we had a good time,
others showed up wet, trolling motors ripped off mounts, tackle gone,
windshields broken, and scared stiff of that big lake. It was just
timing, on and off the throttle gave us a superb ride in those waves.

Pool 19 on the Mississippi. Day one of a Federation 8 man team event.
I had my little 16'8" Champion. Took a little spray in the boat, and it
was interesting at the ramp with the high current, but I really had no
problem. Other boats were stuck at Navoo, unable to get past the big
waves with the wind blowing into a fast current. Boats were damaged.
One capsized at the ramp. Another hit the Burlington, Iowa bridge and
destroyed the topcap. A member of our team bent a prop shaft hitting
the bottom between the waves. Yet another hit a piece of steel and
punched a 3/4" hole thru the lower unit. I was told that five older
boats became part of the river that day. Day two was canceled. No one
drowned was the best news of the day.

My little Champion was responsive enough with the 150hp Merc, that you
could back off the throttle, almost stopping and hammer it to bring the
bow up for the next wave. You could turn on the wave and run it
lengthwise, turn and go for the next big one at a lower height. Was
great fun to drive, but took longer in the big water. If that boat ever
filled with water, it would have gone to the bottom. It had zero
flotation in it. We took plastic bags and filled them with foam peanuts
and stuffed them in all the inner hull access panels. When the live
well drain broke it came close to flooding the boat. A problem with
older Champ's. It almost became part of the Ohio river, so it was an
incentive to add the foam peanuts in bags.

The worst water for me, is when you have wakes for boats or barges,
along with current, in a channel. Those waves get to bouncing back and
forth and it's simply not a nice place to be. I usually trim down some
and let the V on the hull try to cut it. Rough, real rough. I back off
the throttle a bit to soften it, but you have to keep the bow up also.
A 4 blade prop helps in rough water. Easier to keep the bow up.

Well, the other worst place to be is behind a tow, headed somewhere on
the river in a hurry. They can create waves that cannot be imagined.
Taller than my Ranger is in length. Do not get between one and the
riverbank. They can put you high and dry if your not careful.

The worst beatings I took was always with other people. I got my calves
bruised black and blue in a Ranger 362 on the Ohio river. I swore I
would never, ever ride with the guy again. Had those flip down seats,
which made for a nice open layout, but it bounced my calves against the
fuel tanks we were sitting on. Could not hardly walk for a week. No
need to drive wide open in windblown waves. Ego problem.

I always try to keep and eye on what's out a ways, with most of my
attention on the here and now stuff. But you don't want to be caught by
surprise. If you know that it's bad where you are, think ahead to where
you may have to change direction. Are you going to be able to make that
turn, or come around a point and have waves twice as tall. What about
water that is just a few feet deep out in the middle of the lake. In
big waves, there may be no water in the troughs. Same with points on a
lake. Those stump covered points you can normally run right over, may
have 3 foot wide stumps out in the air between waves.

You know, I would rather run rough water on any lake really, than rising
water on a river. Problem with rivers is trash in the water. You can
pull into a slough on the river one day and see 500, 50 to 100 foot tall
cottonwood trees stacked up in there from a flood. A week later another
flood might have floated them and washed them all downriver. Right in
the main channel where your running from a tournament launch. I have
seen boats that have hit wing dams and big trees. You can bend a
Mercury where the lower unit attaches to the powerhead. And it will
still run. Not very well, but it will get you home. Well, maybe not
always. LOL

Not sure what anyone will learn from my ramblings. I guess they will
say that I have a lot of experience. Sorry I don't articulate it well.

Carlos





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Actually in my specific expereince recently I am sure if I had been at the
wheel we would have stayed a little drier, but that wasn't why I posted
this. I was hoping some would be able to post some clear guidelens for
handling waves and chop.

Things like trying to cut wakes at 90 deg in a V-Hull or rolling parrallel
over wakes in a flat bottom boat.

A good angle to cut waves, or when it is better to run directly away from
the wind.

Working the throttle to optimize going over vs. plowing through waves.

I'm not making any specific claims about the best way to handle any of these
situations. I'm just saying when people claim that its all about boat
handling then there should be atleast some obvious things a person can do to
improve the situation.

And as my original inquiry about "dry ride" implies there are certainly
differences in what different boats can handle and the best way to approach
some situations.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up
if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but
I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.

Actually in my specific expereince recently I am sure if I had been at the
wheel we would have stayed a little drier, but that wasn't why I posted
this. I was hoping some would be able to post some clear guidelens for
handling waves and chop.

Things like trying to cut wakes at 90 deg in a V-Hull or rolling parrallel
over wakes in a flat bottom boat.

A good angle to cut waves, or when it is better to run directly away from
the wind.

Working the throttle to optimize going over vs. plowing through waves.

I'm not making any specific claims about the best way to handle any of these
situations. I'm just saying when people claim that its all about boat
handling then there should be atleast some obvious things a person can do to
improve the situation.

And as my original inquiry about "dry ride" implies there are certainly
differences in what different boats can handle and the best way to approach
some situations.

--
** FREE Fishing Lures
** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up
if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but
I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.

I finally got around to looking at your link. There is some valuable
information in that. I spent a couple hours reading over some of that
stuff. .

--
** FREE Fishing Lures
** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Illinois Fisherman" wrote in message
. com...
I use this link. Under Heavy weather go to page 2 for your answers. I know
that this mostly applies to larger water but the same applies to large
chop.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/safetips.htm




"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up
if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but
I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.

I finally got around to looking at your link. There is some valuable
information in that. I spent a couple hours reading over some of that
stuff. .

--
** FREE Fishing Lures
** Weekly drawing
** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
** www.YumaBassMan.com


"Illinois Fisherman" wrote in message
. com...
I use this link. Under Heavy weather go to page 2 for your answers. I know
that this mostly applies to larger water but the same applies to large
chop.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/safetips.htm




"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Ok, as somebody pointed out, my boat handling skills may need a brush up
if
I'm getting wet on the water in my bass boat.

I know what I have learned the hard way and what I have been taught, but
I'm
always open to consider a different perspective.

What should any boater know to handle chop?

Waves?

At what point or intensity does your approach or technique change.