Kistler Custom Helium Rods

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

That makes sense except I also checked out a Kistler crankin rod on their
site - they said graphite was the key to crankbait fishing. That goes
against everything I know about crankin, in fact the only all-glass rod I
own is my crankbait rod. I've been taught that if you use an
overly-sensitive rod for cranking that you tend to pull the bait away from
the fish before they really get it. At this point I'm downright
uncomfortable using graphite for pulling lipped crankbaits...

Warren

"BassAngler" wrote in message
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I suspect, they may be using one of the newer classes of Fiberglass. When
I
was talking with Gary Loomis (and I have the whole conversation on tape),
he
indicated that some of Today's high tech glasses were in fact more
sensitive, stronger, and lighter than most graphites. But the word Glass
would kill the value of these rods because so much marketing went into the
promotion of graphite and how it was better than glass.

Personally, I think it would be killer to have the sensitivity and
stiffness
of graphite and the durability and strength of a glass. But I can
understand their reasoning. Imagine the reaction from the GP and the
industry that just spent 10 years convincing everybody that graphite is
superior, now spins around and says, "Wait, the new high tech glass rods
are
better than graphite." Most would think that it is just a ploy to sell
more
rods.

--
Craig Baugher

That's my point exactly Jim, Any rod builder could and would do this if
asked. Kistler is not doing anything that is not the norm for a custom
builder.

Again it's all marketing hype. And Warren if your fingers cannot contact the
blank on a thru blank reelseat. Well hell son ,maybe you should look to
those stubby little fingers o o

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

go-bassn wrote:
Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren

or use this: http://tinyurl.com/22l8j

I like the looks of that one!

Henry

lol, I'm palming my reel, holding it from the side...

--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



""The Shadow"" wrote in message
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That's my point exactly Jim, Any rod builder could and would do this if
asked. Kistler is not doing anything that is not the norm for a custom
builder.

Again it's all marketing hype. And Warren if your fingers cannot contact
the
blank on a thru blank reelseat. Well hell son ,maybe you should look to
those stubby little fingers o o

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming
the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below
the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

I had to take a rod out of the closet and try it to see exactly where my
hand fits. I palm the reel with the pinky and ring finger wrapped under the
reel seat, the birdflipping finger extended forward and half-hooked under
the seat ahead of the reel, and the index finger around the front of the
reel and thumb over the top, meeting with the index finger to lightly pinch
the line ahead of the line guide.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/palm_reel.jpg

I know my hands are probably somewhat bigger than yours, but that photo's
with a full sized, round Ambassadeur, not one of them wimpy little low
profile reels.

My middle finger would probably hit blank on those shortened reel seat, no
foregrip deals. But to be honest, 95% of my feel comes directly from the
line, through the index finger.

RichZ©

I hold it a bit different Rich, only my pinkk goes beneath the reel, and
then not far enough to contact the center of the underside. My other
fingers face forward, with my index finger contacting the rod only. I don't
touch the line at all while palming...

Warren

"RichZ" wrote in message
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I had to take a rod out of the closet and try it to see exactly where my
hand fits. I palm the reel with the pinky and ring finger wrapped under
the
reel seat, the birdflipping finger extended forward and half-hooked under
the seat ahead of the reel, and the index finger around the front of the
reel and thumb over the top, meeting with the index finger to lightly
pinch
the line ahead of the line guide.

http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/palm_reel.jpg

I know my hands are probably somewhat bigger than yours, but that photo's
with a full sized, round Ambassadeur, not one of them wimpy little low
profile reels.

My middle finger would probably hit blank on those shortened reel seat, no
foregrip deals. But to be honest, 95% of my feel comes directly from the
line, through the index finger.

RichZ©

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:16:08 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Thanks Jim. If you look at the pic with the reel on the rod, it's not
really what I'm getting at. Have you seen the Kistler rod in the link

http://www.fishingworld.com/KistlerR...43153323449&Ca
rt=10760377343447427&SKU=He63APC

You'll have to paste the unblue part to the blue part...

Warren

Warren

First time I've seen a reel seat like the Kistler rod - guess I lead a
sheltered life.

From the text in your original post, the Frabill rods came to mind. I
guess I envisioned that a Frabill like "cone" might work for, if you
cradled your reel in the palm of your hand - that you could possibly
get your index finger in a dimple in the "cone".

Good luck finding something that will work.

Jim


"Jim Laumann" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:36:46 -0500, "go-bassn"
wrote:

I know the type of reel seat you're speaking of, and when I'm palming the
reel my fingers don't contact the blank (which is exposed only below the
reel) at all. My fingers are totally on the reel, with my index finger
contacting the rod in front of the reel only.

Warren

Warren

I tryed emailing you this morning. Take a peek at
this URL:

http://www.frabill.com/ice_rods.html#sensive

These are ice rods, and for spinning reels - but look at
the tip top of the handle - the rod projects thru it on the
top and underside, so that you can get your fingers in
contact with the rod blank. Since you are looking at
custom rods anyway, I would think that any rod maker
could do something like this for you.

Jim

"John Kerr" wrote in message
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Maybe me. about 35 years ago I chucked big Rebels for stripers in the
sloughs of SF bay. Behind the Oakland Faders offices. Big glass spinner,
and Mitchell 300 reel. One day, a guy let me use is Fenwick for a few
minutes. Love at first throw. I still use the Fenwick steelhead rod I
bought shortly thereafter.
Bill
=====
Bill, about that same time I was using a Mitchel 300 and fishing off the
rock jetties on Alameda Air Station for thos stripers...we could have
been just a few miles apart enjoying the day, hu? That old Mitchel 300
is still in my garage. I used it in Florida to surf fish...caught some
really big "Reds" with 20# test and a 14' custom made surf rod, even
landed a 150# black tip shark with the same set up, took an hour, but
what fun. That old Mitchel 300 was one hell of a reel in it's day!
JK


Sure was fun. Lots of stripers. My neighbor was at NAS Alameda about that
time, and they said they used to go fish off the seaplane ramps and take a
limit home and go get another limit.
Bill