Neocons are from Mars, liberals are from Venus

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman

On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


Lakoff has had this view going for a while. I've read his "Moral
Politics: What the Conservatives Know tha Liberals Don't" back in '99.
This characterization seems to fit the U.S. very well, but until
recently, Canada less so. Over the past decade, we've seen a rise in
U.S. style conservatives here, The Reform / Canadian Alliance party
and the old Progressive Conservative party merged, completely wiping
out the "Progressive" component of the Canadian conservative movement,
turning it into a U.S. style conservative movement. So far, the
language of this movemement does not fit the Canadian political psyche
as it does the U.S. However, it will eventually. I mention this to
point out that their are (were) other models of left/right behaviour
in other political systems.

One interesting point in the website, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution. I suppose Lakoff isn't as interested in origins but it's
an area I'd like to see him pursue.

Peter

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On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


Lakoff has had this view going for a while. I've read his "Moral
Politics: What the Conservatives Know tha Liberals Don't" back in '99.
This characterization seems to fit the U.S. very well, but until
recently, Canada less so. Over the past decade, we've seen a rise in
U.S. style conservatives here, The Reform / Canadian Alliance party
and the old Progressive Conservative party merged, completely wiping
out the "Progressive" component of the Canadian conservative movement,
turning it into a U.S. style conservative movement. So far, the
language of this movemement does not fit the Canadian political psyche
as it does the U.S. However, it will eventually. I mention this to
point out that their are (were) other models of left/right behaviour
in other political systems.

One interesting point in the website, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution. I suppose Lakoff isn't as interested in origins but it's
an area I'd like to see him pursue.

Peter

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On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


Lakoff has had this view going for a while. I've read his "Moral
Politics: What the Conservatives Know tha Liberals Don't" back in '99.
This characterization seems to fit the U.S. very well, but until
recently, Canada less so. Over the past decade, we've seen a rise in
U.S. style conservatives here, The Reform / Canadian Alliance party
and the old Progressive Conservative party merged, completely wiping
out the "Progressive" component of the Canadian conservative movement,
turning it into a U.S. style conservative movement. So far, the
language of this movemement does not fit the Canadian political psyche
as it does the U.S. However, it will eventually. I mention this to
point out that their are (were) other models of left/right behaviour
in other political systems.

One interesting point in the website, Lakoff refering to "an elaborate
mythology" inherent in the Conservative worldview. That worldview
would seems to be rooted in pioneering and the myths of the
Revolution. I suppose Lakoff isn't as interested in origins but it's
an area I'd like to see him pursue.

Peter

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On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


One thing that's always plagued me about the American right. It is so
firmly rooted in Christianity, yet the philosophy is so funadmentally
anti-Christian with the exception of their abortion position. Can you
imagine Christ as a CEO? As a general? I can't. Christ associated
with the "deviants" of his time that the right find so abhorent.
During His ministry, He would have been dependent on the charity of
the communities through which He travelled. He forgave, He did not
punish. He forgave the thief on the cross. The Christian American
right is in reality the Romans, not the Christians. They espouse
Roman values, not Christian ones.

OTOH, the liberal postion, as outilned by Lakoff (again with the
exception of abortion), most closely matches Christian doctrine. Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.

Peter

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On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


One thing that's always plagued me about the American right. It is so
firmly rooted in Christianity, yet the philosophy is so funadmentally
anti-Christian with the exception of their abortion position. Can you
imagine Christ as a CEO? As a general? I can't. Christ associated
with the "deviants" of his time that the right find so abhorent.
During His ministry, He would have been dependent on the charity of
the communities through which He travelled. He forgave, He did not
punish. He forgave the thief on the cross. The Christian American
right is in reality the Romans, not the Christians. They espouse
Roman values, not Christian ones.

OTOH, the liberal postion, as outilned by Lakoff (again with the
exception of abortion), most closely matches Christian doctrine. Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.

Peter

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On 7 Nov 2004 03:39:24 -0800, (riverman) wrote:

Just read this site about the differences between Conservatives and
Liberals, and how they view each other. Its UNBIASED....or at least
gives fair and equal treatment. Definately worth the read, especially
the last part where they interview Frank Luntz, the "man behind the
curtain" of the Republican party, and who can most certainly be called
the grand puppetmaster of the American Political Psyche.

WELL worth the read..

http://tinyurl.com/54tf5

--riverman


One thing that's always plagued me about the American right. It is so
firmly rooted in Christianity, yet the philosophy is so funadmentally
anti-Christian with the exception of their abortion position. Can you
imagine Christ as a CEO? As a general? I can't. Christ associated
with the "deviants" of his time that the right find so abhorent.
During His ministry, He would have been dependent on the charity of
the communities through which He travelled. He forgave, He did not
punish. He forgave the thief on the cross. The Christian American
right is in reality the Romans, not the Christians. They espouse
Roman values, not Christian ones.

OTOH, the liberal postion, as outilned by Lakoff (again with the
exception of abortion), most closely matches Christian doctrine. Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
...Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.


Someone has. There was a piece on public radio a couple of days ago.
Besides, the alignment of the Christian left with the political left and the
parallel arrangement on the right is no secret......it's being going on for
a long time.

Given that this election was a fairly close one, any of a number of large
blocks of voters could have made a substantial difference in the outcome.
Politics is a vicious game; one could easily support the argument the Kerry
lost the election because too many of his supporters adhered to Christian
values.

Wolfgang

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
...
...Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.


Someone has. There was a piece on public radio a couple of days ago.
Besides, the alignment of the Christian left with the political left and the
parallel arrangement on the right is no secret......it's being going on for
a long time.

Given that this election was a fairly close one, any of a number of large
blocks of voters could have made a substantial difference in the outcome.
Politics is a vicious game; one could easily support the argument the Kerry
lost the election because too many of his supporters adhered to Christian
values.

Wolfgang

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:50:37 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .
...Why
no one seems to take the time to point out this little conundrum, is
beyond me. It seems so obvious.


Someone has. There was a piece on public radio a couple of days ago.
Besides, the alignment of the Christian left with the political left and the
parallel arrangement on the right is no secret......it's being going on for
a long time.

Given that this election was a fairly close one, any of a number of large
blocks of voters could have made a substantial difference in the outcome.
Politics is a vicious game; one could easily support the argument the Kerry
lost the election because too many of his supporters adhered to Christian
values.

Wolfgang


The social activist Roman Catholic priest has long been a feature in
Latin American politics -- I didn't mean to suggest that Christian
social-liberal dynamic is unheard of or unknown. What I should've
stated more clearly is that I've never heard this mentioned in the
American political context. The Liberal-Christian connection is very
common elsewhere as it's a natural fit. Obviously, I didn't hear the
radio program.

Peter

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