7' baitcasting rod...

"Vincent." wrote in message
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"AJH" wrote in message
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I would not rely on test information from professional anglers, Most are
sponsored and are selling rods.

Mmmmh not false this... :-s

***Like I said before, there are many fine rod companies out there. But,
even without sponsor loyalties, ask 6 fishermen what rod is the best, and
you're going to get 6 different answers.

The guys on this news group will give you good recommendations,

Yep!... How happy I am, I recover there friendship of my usuals news...
;-)

What are you going to use the rod for?

For the most: fishing!... :-)))
In fact and seriously, I track pikes from a boat in the reserve of a
stopping of the Rhone usualy, and sometime in Alpen lakes like Le Bourget,
the biggest natural lake of France. I like to go to in places encumbers
with
wood or underwater vegetation for some short and precis casts... Most of
the
catches are pikes around 2.5ft and very irritated... :-) I use for the
most
softbaits natural shad 1/3OZ, spinnerbaits 1/2OZ, and some big stickbaits
like sammy or gunnish in "walking the dog" (I love this WAWLAOOOOFFF! up
on
the water when pikes attack... :-)... I like to have a fast action of the
rod and look for a 1OZ rod I think... For the moment I have a Shimano
Diaflash 210 "M" spinning rod 1OZ which has a progressive action, and two
Garbolino casting: one 6' 1OZ and the other 6.6' 1 1/2 OZ (don't search,
they are a frenches ones... :-) witch have extra fast actions... I think
I
need a fast action 1OZ... and I like 7' rods... but
I didn't use the castings for the moment (I recieve my Curado 201B
today...)
to know more... it will try them this week-end... :-)))

***I fish a lot for pike and muskies, as well as bass. Basically, what
you're looking for is a medium heavy, fast action baitcaster, or a flipping
stick. I do quite a bit of pike/muskie fishing with bass tackle. Look at
the St. Croix AVID series of rods, they're priced under $200 and will fit
the bill for what you want to do.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"Joe" wrote in message
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*Snip*
"I have seen than some of you have personnal website dedicated to
fishing...
Could I find some comparative tests of items on it? Is it usual by on your
premise?

Vincent.


I think our new European friend is trying to relate their rod action
measurements to ours. I remember from old In-Fisherman stories that the
euro
style is by lbs. 1 1/2, 2, 2 1/2 and so on. Vincent, if I am right on this
I
suspect you could start by writing down your lowest rod weight class and
labeling it UL or ultra light and go up from there. Better yet e-mail
Shimano or one of the other international companies and ask is they have
comparison charts. Whew, I probably should have said that first. Good
luck!
Joe Z.

Hi Joe,

In fact we use gr ("grammes" in french 1OZ=28,3gr)... and there is nothing
to characterize the action of the rod... for exemple, my Diaflash is a "M"
10-30gr (1/3 1OZ more or less) but I don't know if it's a fast, ultra fast
and so on...
By now, with our different explications I know how to translate the power
but it still missing me comparisons for the action... :-s

Lest's try to find some...

First my Diaflash 7' 1/3 1OZ: it is perfect for 1/2OZ sofbaits, the rod bent
a bit, I always fill the elastisity of the rod during my animation...
With a stickbait like the biggest sammy or gunnish, it is perfect! The lure
go far away and the filling during the animation is very good, again I fill
the elasticity of the rod during the "walking the dog".
But with a "heavy" soft bait around 1OZ for... hum... how to say?... You
know when you make the lure turn around the scion and cast juste up to the
water... more or less like a pitching... in this case the rod bent too
much...or with a big Bfreeze walking the dog under the water, I fill that
the rod is a bit "just"... :-o
I just want an action a bit faster... with more or less the same power.

Second my Garbolino 6' 1/2 1OZ: It is very straight! I mean a XXfast
action... :-) It never bent during the animation of a 1/2OZ bait, I fill
anything, but is perfect for a gig 1OZ softbait even to cast "around" the
scion.
Against: It is too staight for "walking the dog"... I don't fill the lure
and it is a pain to be synchronized...
It is too fast... too straight...

So my filling puching me to buy a Shimano Compre 7' MH but does it's action
be between my too rods? And where???

for tackle warehouse it is a MH Xfast and only this... :-s
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descp...MANO-SCCR.html

BassPro have a MH 1/8-1-1/4 OZ:
http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet...arget=bro wse

And for Cabelas the MH is a 3/8-1 OZ... :-s
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...jpg&hasJS=true

Not easy I know... ;-)

Vincent.

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
Vincent , As a custom rod builder I am going to something that I rarely
do.
That is recommend store brought rods.

Thank you for the effort... ;-) by my side I like to built lures... :-)


Given the type of fishing that you do, And actually having done a bit of
background research these arethe rods that I would rcommend. Especially
for
that new Curaod 201.

A) G.Loomis MBR845C a 7'0" GL3 class
this rod says it will handle up to 20 lb. test line, it also says that it
is
a fast action heavy power blank. Probably closer to medium heavy in my
opinion.

B) G.Loomis MUR844C-MB a 7'0" this blank weighs in at 9.77oz. handles
17-40lb. test line. Has fast action and Heavy power.

C) Shimano Compre CPC70H &'0" Fast Action Heavy
power list price is $89.99 US dollars.

Again , these are the rods that "I" would recommend to you as a custom rod
builder.Hope that this can help narrow your search!

--
D. Norton
"The Shadow"

The Compre allured me yes... but probably a 7' MH Fast action... I hope to
having in hand during the next fishing exposure in the place... and waiting
for feedback on it on the news... Thank's... ;-)

Vincent.

I think our new European friend is trying to relate their rod action
measurements to ours. I remember from old In-Fisherman stories that the
euro
style is by lbs. 1 1/2, 2, 2 1/2 and so on. Vincent, if I am right on this
I
suspect you could start by writing down your lowest rod weight class and
labeling it UL or ultra light and go up from there. Better yet e-mail
Shimano or one of the other international companies and ask is they have
comparison charts. Whew, I probably should have said that first. Good
luck!
Joe Z.

Hi Joe,

In fact we use gr ("grammes" in french 1OZ=28,3gr)... and there is nothing
to characterize the action of the rod... for exemple, my Diaflash is a "M"
10-30gr (1/3 1OZ more or less) but I don't know if it's a fast, ultra fast
and so on...
By now, with our different explications I know how to translate the power
but it still missing me comparisons for the action... :-s

Lest's try to find some...

First my Diaflash 7' 1/3 1OZ: it is perfect for 1/2OZ sofbaits, the rod bent
a bit, I always fill the elastisity of the rod during my animation...
With a stickbait like the biggest sammy or gunnish, it is perfect! The lure
go far away and the filling during the animation is very good, again I fill
the elasticity of the rod during the "walking the dog".
But with a "heavy" soft bait around 1OZ for... hum... how to say?... You
know when you make the lure turn around the scion and cast juste up to the
water... more or less like a pitching... in this case the rod bent too
much...or with a big Bfreeze walking the dog under the water, I fill that
the rod is a bit "just"... :-o
I just want an action a bit faster... with more or less the same power.

Second my Garbolino 6' 1/2 1OZ: It is very straight! I mean a XXfast
action... :-) It never bent during the animation of a 1/2OZ bait, I fill
anything, but is perfect for a gig 1OZ softbait even to cast "around" the
scion.
Against: It is too staight for "walking the dog"... I don't fill the lure
and it is a pain to be synchronized...
It is too fast... too straight...

So my filling puching me to buy a Shimano Compre 7' MH but does it's action
be between my too rods? And where???

for tackle warehouse it is a MH Xfast and only this... :-s
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descp...MANO-SCCR.html

BassPro have a MH 1/8-1-1/4 OZ:
http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet...arget=bro wse

And for Cabelas the MH is a 3/8-1 OZ... :-s
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...jpg&hasJS=true

Not easy I know... ;-)

Vincent.

Thanks for the response but I am way over my head now! ;-)
Steve or Dave are your best bets on this group or RichZ a possibility of
pulling something out of his files. Good luck! Joe Z.

"Vincent." wrote in message SNIP

By now, with our different explications I know how to translate the power
but it still missing me comparisons for the action... :-s

Lest's try to find some...

First my Diaflash 7' 1/3 1OZ: it is perfect for 1/2OZ sofbaits, the rod
bent
a bit, I always fill the elastisity of the rod during my animation...
With a stickbait like the biggest sammy or gunnish, it is perfect! The
lure
go far away and the filling during the animation is very good, again I
fill
the elasticity of the rod during the "walking the dog".
But with a "heavy" soft bait around 1OZ for... hum... how to say?... You
know when you make the lure turn around the scion and cast juste up to the
water... more or less like a pitching... in this case the rod bent too
much...or with a big Bfreeze walking the dog under the water, I fill that
the rod is a bit "just"... :-o
I just want an action a bit faster... with more or less the same power.

Second my Garbolino 6' 1/2 1OZ: It is very straight! I mean a XXfast
action... :-) It never bent during the animation of a 1/2OZ bait, I fill
anything, but is perfect for a gig 1OZ softbait even to cast "around" the
scion.
Against: It is too staight for "walking the dog"... I don't fill the lure
and it is a pain to be synchronized...
It is too fast... too straight...

So my filling puching me to buy a Shimano Compre 7' MH but does it's
action
be between my too rods? And where???

for tackle warehouse it is a MH Xfast and only this... :-s
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descp...MANO-SCCR.html

BassPro have a MH 1/8-1-1/4 OZ:

http://www.basspro-shops.com/servlet...arget=bro wse

And for Cabelas the MH is a 3/8-1 OZ... :-s

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...Id=0023073&cat
alogCode=IE&parentId=cat20372&parentType=index&rid =&cmCat=MainCatcat20166&_D
ARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fitem-link.jhtml.2_A&_DAV=http%3A%2
F%2Fa1460.g.akamai.net%2Ff%2F1460%2F1339%2F6h%2Fww w.cabelas.com%2Fcabelas%2F
en%2Fcontent%2FPod%2F02%2F30%2F73%2Fp023073ii01.jp g&hasJS=true

Not easy I know... ;-)

Vincent.

In describing actions of rods, it goes like this. Extra Fast has the most
backbone in a rod, but the least "tip action." With rods like this,
probably just the last 15% of the rod will bend easily, with increasing
stiffness as you go toward the butt of the rod. This rod will have the
fastest hooksets.

A Fast Action rod will have a lot of backbone, but more of the tip section
will bend, probably in the neighborhood of 20-25% of the tip end of the rod.

In a Moderate Action rod, almost half of the rod will bend fairly easily.
This type of rod is preferred by many for fishing spinnerbaits and
crankbaits. This rod will have a slower hookset, but that's preferred by
many to avoid setting too soon.

A Soft Action rod is preferred by many live bait anglers and salmon anglers
when they want a rod that has lots of give, This type of rod makes it more
difficult to snap off live bait when casting or tear hooks free from soft
mouthed fish like salmon.

What you need to figure out is what weight lures you're going to be throwing
and your fishing style. You need a rod that is going to have the proper
"give", in order to work the lure properly. If you're having difficulty
working a lure, it could be the action, but it could be that you're using
rods that are meant for heavier lures than you're using. If the lure is too
light, it's not going to load up the rod for the desired flex in order to
work the lure either.

From what I can figure out, and looking at the rods listed, the Shimano
Compre will do a good job for you, but all of your suggestions seem a bit on
the heavy side for fishing soft plastic jerkbaits and topwater lures.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Hi :-) ,

In describing actions of rods, it goes like this. Extra Fast has the most
backbone in a rod, but the least "tip action." With rods like this,
probably just the last 15% of the rod will bend easily, with increasing
stiffness as you go toward the butt of the rod. This rod will have the
fastest hooksets.


Ok... just like my two Garbolino...


A Fast Action rod will have a lot of backbone, but more of the tip section
will bend, probably in the neighborhood of 20-25% of the tip end of the
rod.

The one y need to complete my rod storage... :-)


In a Moderate Action rod, almost half of the rod will bend fairly easily.
This type of rod is preferred by many for fishing spinnerbaits and
crankbaits. This rod will have a slower hookset, but that's preferred by
many to avoid setting too soon.

Like my Diaflash...


A Soft Action rod is preferred by many live bait anglers and salmon
anglers
when they want a rod that has lots of give, This type of rod makes it
more
difficult to snap off live bait when casting or tear hooks free from soft
mouthed fish like salmon.

Like my Beast Master... but I hate it... I don't fill anything with it...
:-s


What you need to figure out is what weight lures you're going to be
throwing
and your fishing style. You need a rod that is going to have the proper
"give", in order to work the lure properly. If you're having difficulty
working a lure, it could be the action, but it could be that you're using
rods that are meant for heavier lures than you're using. If the lure is
too
light, it's not going to load up the rod for the desired flex in order to
work the lure either.

I know this... this is ones in others that makes fishing so expensive... :-)


From what I can figure out, and looking at the rods listed, the Shimano
Compre will do a good job for you, but all of your suggestions seem a bit
on
the heavy side for fishing soft plastic jerkbaits and topwater lures.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers

Thanks... ;-)
I hope to be abble to try some compre or others at the futur show arround
here... if not, my last choise will be to order it in USA... but I don't
like to buy a rod without having it in hand before... :-s

Vincent.

Vincent, two reputable rodbuilders have tried to answer your questions here.
Sometimes you have to go with the flow and trust those around you. I will
add this final comment. Trust your gut reaction, I bet you won't be wrong.

--
Dave Norton
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Vincent." wrote in message
...
Hi :-) ,

In describing actions of rods, it goes like this. Extra Fast has the
most
backbone in a rod, but the least "tip action." With rods like this,
probably just the last 15% of the rod will bend easily, with increasing
stiffness as you go toward the butt of the rod. This rod will have the
fastest hooksets.


Ok... just like my two Garbolino...


A Fast Action rod will have a lot of backbone, but more of the tip
section
will bend, probably in the neighborhood of 20-25% of the tip end of the
rod.

The one y need to complete my rod storage... :-)


In a Moderate Action rod, almost half of the rod will bend fairly
easily.
This type of rod is preferred by many for fishing spinnerbaits and
crankbaits. This rod will have a slower hookset, but that's preferred
by
many to avoid setting too soon.

Like my Diaflash...


A Soft Action rod is preferred by many live bait anglers and salmon
anglers
when they want a rod that has lots of give, This type of rod makes it
more
difficult to snap off live bait when casting or tear hooks free from
soft
mouthed fish like salmon.

Like my Beast Master... but I hate it... I don't fill anything with it...
:-s


What you need to figure out is what weight lures you're going to be
throwing
and your fishing style. You need a rod that is going to have the proper
"give", in order to work the lure properly. If you're having difficulty
working a lure, it could be the action, but it could be that you're
using
rods that are meant for heavier lures than you're using. If the lure is
too
light, it's not going to load up the rod for the desired flex in order
to
work the lure either.

I know this... this is ones in others that makes fishing so expensive...
:-)


From what I can figure out, and looking at the rods listed, the Shimano
Compre will do a good job for you, but all of your suggestions seem a
bit
on
the heavy side for fishing soft plastic jerkbaits and topwater lures.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers

Thanks... ;-)
I hope to be abble to try some compre or others at the futur show arround
here... if not, my last choise will be to order it in USA... but I don't
like to buy a rod without having it in hand before... :-s

Vincent.