Someone please explain this to me?.

I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me: small diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming! Is it possible that somebody might be funnin' us?
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Bob Rickard
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

i can't explain it, but the red hooks on topwater and stick baits do seem to outperform standard hooks in clear water. with jigging spoons they don't seem to matter and i swear by cajun red when finesse fishing or carolina rigging in 15' or deeper water at table rock or bull shoals which are both pretty clear.

in my mind, cajun red will outperform green maxima or p-line and blows away the high vis lines. i hate flurocarbon because of the line properties so i can't give an honest comparison there.

cajun red does work though in clear deep water. try it. i thought it was bull too, but now i have it on all my dropshot and rigged tackle. i don't use it on crankbait - spinner - buzz - topwater though. for that i like a stiffer thicker line. have been using suffix and like it real well.

peace
crownliner
"Bob Rickard" wrote in message m...
I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me: small diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming! Is it possible that somebody might be funnin' us?
--
Bob Rickard
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

Bob,

I wondered that same thing, but a couple of the local pros I know have commented on using red hooks on topwaters baits. One has made an agreement to go out and test head to head on identical baits and lines with me to compare bronze, chrome, red, and excalbur rotating hooks when we find a good topwater bite. Thats Dave Willhide, one of your local pro staff. He swears the red hooks make a huge difference. He also likes the bleeding shad pattern SWs.

From my own experience, I have caught many bluegill on bare hooks. It seems I recall that gold salmon egg hooks got more hits than traditional bronze/black hooks when fished without bait amoung aggressive gills.

Now comes the part where I may be out in left field because it is my own opinion. I think in clear water where red can be seen it might be more visible. I wondered about in deep water. I had heard that reds turned black underwater when you got down deeper or if the water was particularly stained or muddy. I know that several weeks ago I was fishing a tournament with Craig Johnson, and he was fishing a deep diving red crankbait in very stained water. He caught fish all day by cranking and cranking and cranking. When I asked one of my fishing mentors about it he promptly pulled one of his crank baits out of the box and spray painted it black.

Perhaps, the red hooks have a two fold affect. Bleeding Bait (Daichii name) affect when in clear water, black affect for visibility when in deep or murky water.

TJ with Daichii has reccomended bleeding bait hooks over other hooks they make on almost every application I have asked him about. I do like the affect of fishing one of Gilbert's (Mesa Tackle) waterdogs on a Bleeding Bait butt dragger hook. It takes a strong hook set even with a 5/O hook. The way it drops in the water is so fishable though. It can easily be fished as a slow jerk or swim bait, or dragged across a spawning bed to tick off a big cow bass. For that last option Ild like a little heavier weight on that butt dragger to hold it down in the eggs, but it really has a nice affect.

By the way. A friend of mine weighed in a 7.15 lb LM caught using one of those waterdogs, and he claims he had one almost twice that size break off on him using the same bait.

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Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com
All about fishing in Yuma, Arizona
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"Bob Rickard" wrote in message m...
I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me: small diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming! Is it possible that somebody might be funnin' us?
--
Bob Rickard
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

Red light only penetrates about 10 to 15 feet in freshwater and I believe
fewer in salt. That is why it goes black when deep. No color to reflect.
Look at reef fish. They are not colored those bright colors because they
want to be seen- they are those colors because those light waves are not
present at the depths they live. So they go black and are hard to see/blend
with the background. They only look cool when all wavelengths of light are
present- when brought to the surface or in a tank. The bleeding bait, I
would imagine, only works in areas where red light is present or perhaps the
curve of the hook (red or black from depth) mimics a gill slit?
SamB
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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Bob,

I wondered that same thing, but a couple of the local pros I know have
commented on using red hooks on topwaters baits. One has made an agreement
to go out and test head to head on identical baits and lines with me to
compare bronze, chrome, red, and excalbur rotating hooks when we find a good
topwater bite. Thats Dave Willhide, one of your local pro staff. He swears
the red hooks make a huge difference. He also likes the bleeding shad
pattern SWs.

From my own experience, I have caught many bluegill on bare hooks. It seems
I recall that gold salmon egg hooks got more hits than traditional
bronze/black hooks when fished without bait amoung aggressive gills.

Now comes the part where I may be out in left field because it is my own
opinion. I think in clear water where red can be seen it might be more
visible. I wondered about in deep water. I had heard that reds turned
black underwater when you got down deeper or if the water was particularly
stained or muddy. I know that several weeks ago I was fishing a tournament
with Craig Johnson, and he was fishing a deep diving red crankbait in very
stained water. He caught fish all day by cranking and cranking and
cranking. When I asked one of my fishing mentors about it he promptly pulle
d one of his crank baits out of the box and spray painted it black.

Perhaps, the red hooks have a two fold affect. Bleeding Bait (Daichii name)
affect when in clear water, black affect for visibility when in deep or
murky water.

TJ with Daichii has reccomended bleeding bait hooks over other hooks they
make on almost every application I have asked him about. I do like the
affect of fishing one of Gilbert's (Mesa Tackle) waterdogs on a Bleeding
Bait butt dragger hook. It takes a strong hook set even with a 5/O hook.
The way it drops in the water is so fishable though. It can easily be
fished as a slow jerk or swim bait, or dragged across a spawning bed to tick
off a big cow bass. For that last option Ild like a little heavier weight
on that butt dragger to hold it down in the eggs, but it really has a nice
affect.

By the way. A friend of mine weighed in a 7.15 lb LM caught using one of
those waterdogs, and he claims he had one almost twice that size break off
on him using the same bait.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com
All about fishing in Yuma, Arizona
Promote Your Fishing Website FOR FREE
"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
m...
I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me: small
diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar
diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming! Is it
possible that somebody might be funnin' us?
--
Bob Rickard
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:15:14 GMT, "Bob Rickard"
wrote:

I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me: small
diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar
diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming!
Is it possible that somebody might be funnin' us?


Based on the "research" on the cajun fishing web site, this would at
least make a little sense. They claim that the deeper you go, the
more the color red gets filtered out.

Top water baits = not very deep, still see red hooks (possibly wounded
bait fish?)

Drop Shot = Deeper water, harder to see line.

I cannot speak for if it works or not, as I do not fish red hooks or
red line.

Kurt

Thanks to all of you for the great responses. What I have read here confirms
my original convictions. They a First, a little red on a lure can and
does entice strikes. Second, red line NEVER becomes invisible. In shallow
water, fish (especially bass) seldom care about line visibility. As depths
increase and/or become stained to muddy, the lack of light passing through
quickly filters out the colors in the infra-red spectrum, and thus red fades
to gray and becomes less visible.
--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"KurtB" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:15:14 GMT, "Bob Rickard"
wrote:

I must be really stupid, so will somebody please explain this to me:
small
diameter wire hooks draw strikes when colored red, while line of similar
diameter becomes invisible when colored red. My BS alert is screaming!
Is it possible that somebody might be funnin' us?


Based on the "research" on the cajun fishing web site, this would at
least make a little sense. They claim that the deeper you go, the
more the color red gets filtered out.

Top water baits = not very deep, still see red hooks (possibly wounded
bait fish?)

Drop Shot = Deeper water, harder to see line.

I cannot speak for if it works or not, as I do not fish red hooks or
red line.

Kurt