OT Hunting tragedy in Wisconsin

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:15:15 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

George Cleveland wrote:

Its basically been all anyone has been talking about here in northern
Wisconsin for the last two days. While I think we've had some people
who were murdered during deer hunting before, we've never experienced
an example of someone going off the deep end like this before. Since
the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip) , personal responsibility and
even the effect that practices like deer baiting have had on the
psyche of the average Wisconsin deer hunter.

Refugee ? Twenty-four years in the US, speaks fluent English,
naturalized US citizen, hard working taxpayer who annually
buys an out-of-state Wisconsin hunting license.

How long you figure before he's not a refugee anymore ?


Thats how he is referred to in the news reports. He arrived with his
family as refugees from Laos. I suppose there is a certain point where
one is no longer considered a refugee. When that is, I don't know. I
knew an elderly Jewish couple who were referred to as refugees from
the Nazis until the day they died. The term didn't bother them. I
guess I don't see it as a pejorative.


g.c.

In article ,
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:
Have you seen this?

http://www.greenbaynewschron.com/pag...article=128703

Yes, I've seen it, it would be hard to miss. As you might
imagine it's big news over here. Fatal hunting accidents
are fairly common, six dead arguing over a tree stand is not.

I don't know what genius in the CIA or State Department decided
it would be a good idea to plop 45,000 Hmong from Laos into
lily-white Minnesota but racial tension between whites and Hmong
has been a fact of life for years up in the Northwoods, especially
during hunting season.

They were saying on WCCO last night that the guy had a DNR violation in
MN for having 100 crappies over the limit.

Dave in Minnesota

"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.

All that said, I think that until we know more about exactly what
happened it's impossible to say with any certainty whether or not the
nature of the particular weapon used in this case is a legitimate
issue. Most modern hunting rifles will hold several rounds and all
can be reloaded and fired quickly......certainly quickly enough to get
off twenty or so rounds in under two minutes.

Wolfgang

In article , says...
"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.


The rifle in question was a Chinese SKS, you can see one he
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm
It is a common military rifle made in numerous communist bloc
countries. It shoots a 7.62x39 mm cartridge, which is roughly
similar to the American .308 military cartridge (which is also
a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitive target
shooting.) The SKS is popular mostly because it's cheap -- if you
search around a little at gun shows or pawn shops, you can usually
get one for under $100. I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.

Kevin

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reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
...I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.


An assessment which, under the circumstances, should not be mistaken
for evidence against its efficacy.

Wolfgang

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
...I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.


An assessment which, under the circumstances, should not be mistaken
for evidence against its efficacy.

Wolfgang

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...



Boy, it takes a special kind of person to argue that after an incident
that
will be pointed at for years to come as an excuse to screen more carefully
for every type of firearm ownership.



I have read and reread that sentence about 10 times, and although I think I
know what you meant to say, I simply cannot fathom what it is you actually
DID say...

--riverman

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
George Cleveland wrote:

Its basically been all anyone has been talking about here in northern
Wisconsin for the last two days. While I think we've had some people
who were murdered during deer hunting before, we've never experienced
an example of someone going off the deep end like this before. Since
the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip) , personal responsibility and
even the effect that practices like deer baiting have had on the
psyche of the average Wisconsin deer hunter.

Refugee ? Twenty-four years in the US, speaks fluent English,
naturalized US citizen, hard working taxpayer who annually
buys an out-of-state Wisconsin hunting license.

How long you figure before he's not a refugee anymore ?


Well, at this rate, a long, long time.

:-(
--riverman

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
George Cleveland wrote:

Its basically been all anyone has been talking about here in northern
Wisconsin for the last two days. While I think we've had some people
who were murdered during deer hunting before, we've never experienced
an example of someone going off the deep end like this before. Since
the shootist was a Hmong refugee there has been an increase in racial
tensions in addition to the old fights about assault weapons (the gun
was an SKS with a 20 round banana clip) , personal responsibility and
even the effect that practices like deer baiting have had on the
psyche of the average Wisconsin deer hunter.

Refugee ? Twenty-four years in the US, speaks fluent English,
naturalized US citizen, hard working taxpayer who annually
buys an out-of-state Wisconsin hunting license.

How long you figure before he's not a refugee anymore ?


Well, at this rate, a long, long time.

:-(
--riverman

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
In article , says...
"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
One of the news reports I read/heard said that the rifle used was a
type
used commonly for deer hunting. Is this true? I know next to
nothing about
hunting- check that, I know nothing about hunting.

I don't know anything about that particular rifle, but auto-loaders in
general are quite common. Beyond that, it's just a matter of
capacity. Anything that's designed to use an external magazine is
limited only by the size of the magazine itself.


The rifle in question was a Chinese SKS, you can see one he
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm
It is a common military rifle made in numerous communist bloc
countries. It shoots a 7.62x39 mm cartridge, which is roughly
similar to the American .308 military cartridge (which is also
a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitive target
shooting.) The SKS is popular mostly because it's cheap -- if you
search around a little at gun shows or pawn shops, you can usually
get one for under $100. I shot somebody else's SKS at a range once,
and my impression was that it was a cheesy POS.



Damn, I recognize that gun. They are all over the place here....second only
to Kalashnikovs. I bet someone in Kin could pick one up for under $10.

--riverman