Roll Casting?

Tim J. wrote:
rw wrote:

Tim J. wrote:


Like
Gary said, make the "D" and let as much remaining line as possible
rest on the water.

It's best to have as LITTLE line remaining on the water as possible,
to avoid what the spey casters call "stick."


Hmmm. . . I've not had that problem, but I've never spey cast, either.
I've watched many people roll cast, and watched several videos, all of
which state the line remains on the water. Here's an example:
http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbrollcast/
One of the people I *haven't* watched is you, so maybe you're on to
something new and better.

You need enough line in the water to create "stick" for the cast to
change direction, but any more than that just results in wasted effort
required to pull the line off the water.

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rw wrote:
Tim J. wrote:
rw wrote:

Tim J. wrote:


Like
Gary said, make the "D" and let as much remaining line as possible
rest on the water.

It's best to have as LITTLE line remaining on the water as possible,
to avoid what the spey casters call "stick."


Hmmm. . . I've not had that problem, but I've never spey cast,
either. I've watched many people roll cast, and watched several
videos, all of which state the line remains on the water. Here's an
example: http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbrollcast/
One of the people I *haven't* watched is you, so maybe you're on to
something new and better.

You need enough line in the water to create "stick" for the cast to
change direction, but any more than that just results in wasted effort
required to pull the line off the water.

Okay - we're in agreement (I think.) When I said "as much remaining line
as possible", I didn't mean as much line as possible ("remaining" being
the key word). Typically, I roll cast with about 10-20 feet still on the
water, and then shoot additional line with the cast. I use the roll cast
a lot when fishing streamers, whether or not obstructions permit a
backcast.
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Tim
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"No Left Turn" wrote in message
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What is the best set up for roll casting?

A rod and line.


A Fast Rod or Slow?

Fast

Graphite, bamboo or fiberglass?

Epoxy resin reinforced Carbon fibre

Your long, longer or longest rod?


Long

Weight Forward or Level line?

DT

Would you do better to move up or down a line weight?


UP

And.....more important
Single Malt or Brandy in the flask?

Cragganmore

Brunette or Red Head?


You are looking at the wrong end.

Thanks

Don´t mention it.

Steve P
Member: Dallas Fly Fishers

Yeah well, into every life a little rain must fall!


TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

"No Left Turn" wrote in message
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Brunette or Red Head?



You are looking at the wrong end.

Maybe he isn't. ;-)

brians, sometimes there's only one way to tell for sure

Mike Connor wrote:

"No Left Turn" wrote in message
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Brunette or Red Head?



You are looking at the wrong end.

Maybe he isn't. ;-)

brians, sometimes there's only one way to tell for sure

GregP wrote in
news
Yeah, but then again you could cast with a broomstick
if you had to.

Why that's a kind thing to say, Greg. Thank you. Not as good as your
brother though.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:30:15 GMT, rw
wrote:

Tim J. wrote:
rw wrote:

Tim J. wrote:


Like
Gary said, make the "D" and let as much remaining line as possible
rest on the water.

It's best to have as LITTLE line remaining on the water as possible,
to avoid what the spey casters call "stick."


Hmmm. . . I've not had that problem, but I've never spey cast, either.
I've watched many people roll cast, and watched several videos, all of
which state the line remains on the water. Here's an example:
http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbrollcast/
One of the people I *haven't* watched is you, so maybe you're on to
something new and better.

You need enough line in the water to create "stick" for the cast to
change direction, but any more than that just results in wasted effort
required to pull the line off the water.


There's roll casts and there's single speys.

Here's a single spey:

http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/mecasting.avi

without a lot of line stick (though it should've been done with even
less).

There's also Skagit casting which relies on copious amounts of stick.

http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/caledonia-7.jpg

that lets you bop out 80 footers from this limited amount of backcast
room.

Good rollcasts can be made with any rod and line, though obviously
some will be better than others. One thing you can't do is roll cast
running line so some of the belly must be in the guides. In the video
clip, I'm stripping the running line back until the end of the head is
in the guides. Spey casts can be performed with a bit of overhang but
it's difficult to get them to work reliably.

Make a clean, hard, high stop on the forward stroke. Try getting a
bit of energy moving backward in the D-loop as you come forward on the
powerstroke.


Peter

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I roll cast whatever i am using at the time

"No Left Turn" wrote in message
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What is the best set up for roll casting?

A Fast Rod or Slow?
Graphite, bamboo or fiberglass?
Your long, longer or longest rod?

Weight Forward or Level line?
Would you do better to move up or down a line weight?

And.....more important
Single Malt or Brandy in the flask?
Brunette or Red Head?

Thanks
Steve P
Member: Dallas Fly Fishers

On 27 Dec 2004 15:22:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:4g80t0ll8re2a0nmok8kso1fht3465v5o0@
4ax.com:

Bottom line: In most cases, IMO, unless there is a particular water that
you will fish _a lot_ and need to buy/replace tackle for it anyway,
trying to "tune" a rig for roll casting will be a waste of time (again,
YMMV). OTOH, if you have a specific unique situation in mind, please
give details, and I'm sure you'll get lots of ideas.


To some extent, but let's say that a person has far more luck roll casting
with a WF rather than a double taper, but finds it a tad easier to get
very long casts with a DT. The person needs to decide just how important
that "tad" is, and buy the appropriate line. Also, many backcasts begin
with a roll cast to clear slack, so roll casting can be very important,
depending on casting style.

I'll not dispute any of that. But much/all of that is purely subjective
(note: I tend to type/write pretty fast, and in my original response, I
used "'this is better subjectively' situation." when I meant
"objectively") and not answerable, or IMO even guessable, given the
information provided by the original poster.

TC,
R