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rw wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

I think your statement speaks to Larry's argument. You say "vote
these thugs out" without Dems offering a good alternative to "vote
IN". The last election proved ABB is a bad plan for winning
elections.

If you get all your information from right-wing talk radio and Fox
News, it's understandable that you think Democrats have no position
except ABB.

The whole Dem campaign was based on ABB, and you know it. Oh, and BIOYA,
you New York Times reading, Al Franken listening lib. ;-)
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Larry L wrote:

The Democratic Party called me last night asking for more money and I found
myself saying first, "I don't have any, my kid is going to college."

Pressed further I was amazed to find myself saying, "Well
it's more than just not having any. I'm tired of bitching as the major
action of the Party. Bush is THE worst president of my lifetime, we all
know that, even most Republicans know it. But the Democrats fail to see
that "anti-Bush" is not the leadership that will lead us out of the abyss.
This country needs positive leaders heading towards positive goals. Show
me a Democratic Party that really stands up and says 'This is what we stand
for' and one that works towards those goals instead of one that spends 99%
of it's resources on bitching and I'll find some money."

I truly believe that most people, regardless of voting history, are
dissatisfied with the idiot we have and his thug buddies. But that
dissatisfaction is proven to not be enough to lead to change. We need
leaders we can actively support, not just ones that 'aren't as bad as the
other guy.'

That's a load of crap, Larry. Republicans control the Presidency, both
houses of Congress, and increasingly the courts. The Democrats can't
even get a hearing for their agenda. That doesn't mean they don't have
one. When it comes to environmental issues, there is absolutely no
question that the Democrats have more responsible positions, because the
environmental "movement" is part of their constituency.

What is frustrating and peculiar is that many (possibly most) fishing
and hunting sportsmen support the Republicans, against their self
interest. That might be changing, however. For example, the new
Democratic governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer, is effectively
courting sportsmen.

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rw wrote:

Larry L wrote:

The Democratic Party called me last night asking for more money and I found
myself saying first, "I don't have any, my kid is going to college."

Pressed further I was amazed to find myself saying, "Well
it's more than just not having any. I'm tired of bitching as the major
action of the Party. Bush is THE worst president of my lifetime, we all
know that, even most Republicans know it. But the Democrats fail to see
that "anti-Bush" is not the leadership that will lead us out of the abyss.
This country needs positive leaders heading towards positive goals. Show
me a Democratic Party that really stands up and says 'This is what we stand
for' and one that works towards those goals instead of one that spends 99%
of it's resources on bitching and I'll find some money."

I truly believe that most people, regardless of voting history, are
dissatisfied with the idiot we have and his thug buddies. But that
dissatisfaction is proven to not be enough to lead to change. We need
leaders we can actively support, not just ones that 'aren't as bad as the
other guy.'

That's a load of crap, Larry. Republicans control the Presidency, both
houses of Congress, and increasingly the courts. The Democrats can't
even get a hearing for their agenda. That doesn't mean they don't have
one. When it comes to environmental issues, there is absolutely no
question that the Democrats have more responsible positions, because the
environmental "movement" is part of their constituency.

What is frustrating and peculiar is that many (possibly most) fishing
and hunting sportsmen support the Republicans, against their self
interest. That might be changing, however. For example, the new
Democratic governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer, is effectively
courting sportsmen.

Oooohhhh....can I have some of those magic mushrooms?

--
"What it all comes to is that the whole structure of space flight as it
stands now is creaking, obsolecent, over-elaborate, decaying. The field is
static; no, worse than that, it's losing ground. By this time, our ships
ought to be sleeker and faster, and able to carry bigger payloads. We ought
to have done away with this dichotomy between ships that can land on a planet,
and ships that can fly from one planet to another." - Senator Bliss Wagoner
James Blish - _They Shall Have Stars_

"rw" wrote


Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and
increasingly the courts. The Democrats can't even get a hearing for their
agenda. That doesn't mean they don't have one. When it comes to
environmental issues, there is absolutely no question that the Democrats
have more responsible positions, because the environmental "movement" is
part of their constituency.



Yes, true ( not so sure about the load of crap part :-)

But, my real point ( guess I shouldn't assume as much as I do ) is that
people are NOT helping to rid the country of Bush and Thugs with all their
name calling.

If we want some that have voted Republican to change that in the future it
is NOT 'good politics' to start by declaring that we believe anyone that has
ever voted Republican is 'dumb as a rock' or that "I hate Republicans" ala
H. Dean. If I say, "rw is a ****ing idiot" does that open you up to
listening to my agenda and reasons for wanting you to support me? If I'm
courting your support is that a smart start?

"We" are in a hole now and have no way out until the next round of
elections. I'd prefer MY representatives to be there fighting for me, even
as they lose ground, in a manner that will bring them respect not whining
like babies. Why? because I believe it is a good practical tactic and use
of THIS moment, when little else is available, towards reversing the current
stupid trends.

"Larry L" wrote in message
news

....If I say, "rw is a ****ing idiot" does that open you up to
listening to my agenda and reasons for wanting you to support me?...

Hm........well, being demonstrably right from time to time can't hurt.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote


Hm........well, being demonstrably right from time to time can't hurt.

Wolfgang


Crap, I've sunk to being straight man for Wolfgang ..... time to move on :-0

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Larry L" wrote in message
news

....If I say, "rw is a ****ing idiot" does that open you up to
listening to my agenda and reasons for wanting you to support me?...

Hm........well, being demonstrably right from time to time can't hurt.


hilarious, but a little too easy...

yfitons
wayno

rw wrote:


For example, the new
Democratic governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer, is effectively
courting sportsmen.


holy hell...how's warren taking it? g

jeff

Jeff Miller wrote:

rw wrote:


For example, the new Democratic governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer,
is effectively courting sportsmen.


holy hell...how's warren taking it? g

I haven't asked him, but I know he ****ing hated the former governor,
Judy Martz, a Republican. She was trying to change Montana's LIBERAL
stream access laws to benefit landowners.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote:

rw wrote:


For example, the new Democratic governor of Montana, Brian
Schweitzer, is effectively courting sportsmen.


holy hell...how's warren taking it? g


I haven't asked him, but I know he ****ing hated the former governor,
Judy Martz, a Republican. She was trying to change Montana's LIBERAL
stream access laws to benefit landowners.


as you know, some of us well-meaning folks attempted to convince warren
of the "foolishness" involved in voting republican...uh, i guess that
would describe the comment "you're a goddamned fool to vote for those
venal *******s, warren." anyway, in grand contrarian fashion, which i
usually appreciate and encourage, with a raised middle finger response,
he chose to ignore such sterling instruction and went to the dark side.
g funny how most folks stop listening and go all awkward when you
call them names, eh?

jeff