Penn's/Hemlock Bear

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:03:17 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

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What are the odds that someone might actually get mauled by a bear at a
campground in central Pennsylvania......one in a million?......one in ten
million? The trouble with probabilities is that the **** doesn't need to
wait till the ten millionth event to hit the fan. Given the number of
reported bear sightings, I'd say Hemlock Acres is a ****ing tragedy just
waiting for the right opportunity.

Wolfgang

The odds you'll get mauled are better / worse in a campground where
there's a resident garbage bear than they are out in the woods.
That's even for the wary who know bear rules. For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Whereas, if they met the bear in the woods, they'd most likely scream
and freeze and the bear would scram.

Cyli
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"Cyli" wrote in message
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The odds you'll get mauled are better / worse in a campground where
there's a resident garbage bear than they are out in the woods.
That's even for the wary who know bear rules.
Cyli

Not according to these folks.

"Offensive attacks include all the killings by black bears. These are
generally unprovoked, predatory attacks. Most victims were eaten. Offensive,
predatory attacks have almost always been in remote areas where the bears
had little or no previous contact with people. Black bears that raid
campgrounds or garbage cans are almost never involved. The rarity of the
killings goes along with the non-confrontational, timid disposition that's
been bred into black bears. But why approximately one black bear in 600,000
becomes a killer is a mystery. None of the killers had rabies. Some had
common physical problems. There is no consistent explanation."
(http://www.bear.org/Black/Articles/H...ack_Bears.html)

Mark

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:09:55 -0400, "Guyz-N-Flyz"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
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The odds you'll get mauled are better / worse in a campground where
there's a resident garbage bear than they are out in the woods.
That's even for the wary who know bear rules.
Cyli

Not according to these folks.

"Offensive attacks include all the killings by black bears. These are
generally unprovoked, predatory attacks. Most victims were eaten. Offensive,
predatory attacks have almost always been in remote areas where the bears
had little or no previous contact with people. Black bears that raid
campgrounds or garbage cans are almost never involved. The rarity of the
killings goes along with the non-confrontational, timid disposition that's
been bred into black bears. But why approximately one black bear in 600,000
becomes a killer is a mystery. None of the killers had rabies. Some had
common physical problems. There is no consistent explanation."
(http://www.bear.org/Black/Articles/H...ack_Bears.html)

Mark

Yeah, but those are predatory bears. A whole different forest of
trees. Mostly way up north, like MN, WI, Ontario, etc.. The last
case I heard of in MN or WI was decades ago. The experts find that
they're generally very large bears who probably have gotten into the
habit of eating smaller bears and found the eating to be good.
Predatory bears are very rare. Almost everything you hear about bear
maulings is by ordinary black bears who were startled or otherwise
bothered by humans. Seldom does this result in death because the
bear's real first priority is to get the heck out of there or get back
to his / her food.

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:01:19 -0500, Cyli
wrote:

Following up my own post. Distinction to be made between maulings and
killings. You may get mauled on the way to being killed, so a death
would cover both, but most bloody difficulties with bears don't come
to death. The last US death by black bear I recall reading about was
that woman in Tennessee or somewhere in the southern mountains a year
or three back. Husband left her on the trail while he went fishing
and came back to find a bear and cub having a nibble of her dead body.
I don't, in this case, recall if the bear killed her or if it found
her dead or she ran from it and fell and got knocked out. Bear and
cub hunted down and killed in that case.



Cyli
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For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.

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Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Uh, drunkie camper. Was that slightly Freudian? Ever so slightly.

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Frank Reid
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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
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Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Uh, drunkie camper. Was that slightly Freudian? Ever so slightly.

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"Looks like we're going to need another [Jimmy]!"

Wolfgang
who has heard that extinction last for like a REALLY long time!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:51:09 -0400, "Frank Reid"
moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote:

For the new camper, the
careless camper, the just plain dingbat or drunkie, the odds get much
heavier. "Hold my beer while I go pet / scare / fight the bear, will
ya'?" "He's in cooler. Get the cooler back from him." "Little
Jimmie, there's a bear there. Run away. Run away. Run fast!" "Oh,
let the dog loose. It'll chase the bear away." "Grab all the food
and hide in the tent with it." "Little Jimmie, take a donut over
there to feed the bear, we'll get a picture."

Hey, Wolfgang, we done did that whole list in under 10 minutes (I'll
substitute you for Little Jimmy and the dog). Coool. I guess I qualify
as
the new, careles, dingbat, dunkie camper.


Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.

Not exactly what those in the sciences would call a rigorous proof.

Wolfgang
um.....well, o.k., maybe the neurosciences.

Cyli wrote in
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Gee, you're harsh on yourself. I'd only have thought careless. And
that only because I didn't think you'd properly taken care for
raccoons or 'possums. Since no one had informed you there was a camp
garbage bear. Maybe dingbat on the running part. But the bear
already had food and you guys are a tad bigger than a kid, so, as was
proven, were pretty safe.


So, aside from not setting up camp in a no camping area, and the fact that
nobody got hurt, how is this different than the stoners in the woods?

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Scott
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