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Old June 27th, 2006, 04:03 AM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Alaskan420 wrote:

Wow! The LA Times? Well, there's an unbiased source for you. Why didn't you
go all out and quote the NY Times or Geraldo?


Yes, Uncle Rush woulda been such a credible source.

The Nazi and Soviet propaganda machines put a lot of effort into
discrediting the independent press in their countries as well.

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Old June 27th, 2006, 01:20 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"Alaskan420" wrote in message
news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780@trndny07...
And please... Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


Just in case anyone was wondering about the sort of non sequiturs that got
us into this mess in the first place....


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Old June 27th, 2006, 01:42 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
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Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.

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Old June 27th, 2006, 02:02 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Scott Seidman wrote:
"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
@trndny07:


Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?



The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.


Almost?

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Old June 27th, 2006, 02:17 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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On 27 Jun 2006 12:42:26 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
@trndny07:

Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.


Er, no. The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq (or
anywhere) is directly attributable to Islamic terrorists and no one
else. Period.

Now, if you want to say something along the lines of: "GW is in large
part responsible for the (primary) condition in Iraq that allow Islamic
terrorists to operate in Iraq as freely," there could be a debate. It's
somewhat misleading, albeit technically correct, as he is responsible
for causing the removal of Saddam, which is the (primary) condition that
allows Islamic terrorists to operate as freely. But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.

HTH,
R
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Old June 27th, 2006, 03:44 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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On 27 Jun 2006 14:21:14 GMT, Scott Seidman
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wrote in news:gra2a2trn6ldp7ke40fl5klkjhf0f263mb@
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But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.


And then the debate as to whether it could have been done better and with
less loss of life simple by either letting a contained Hussein goverment
wither and die or by actually running an effective war campaign with enough
resources and a real international coalition behind it (as opposed to the
laughable "coalition of the Willing") could start.


It could start, I guess, but it wouldn't last long. Everything that's
ever been done by humans "_could_ have been done 'better,'" including
everything you yourself have ever done. OTOH, those things "_could_
have been done 'worse,'" too.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.


Well, maybe, but it's unfair to compare lesser countries to the US,
which suddenly and without warning or struggle internal or external,
came into existence as the perfect entity on June 21, 1788...

HTH,
R
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Old June 27th, 2006, 06:12 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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On 27 Jun 2006 14:21:14 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:gra2a2trn6ldp7ke40fl5klkjhf0f263mb@
4ax.com:

But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.


And then the debate as to whether it could have been done better and with
less loss of life simple by either letting a contained Hussein goverment
wither and die or by actually running an effective war campaign with

enough
resources and a real international coalition behind it (as opposed to the
laughable "coalition of the Willing") could start.


It could start, I guess, but it wouldn't last long. Everything that's
ever been done by humans "_could_ have been done 'better,'" including
everything you yourself have ever done. OTOH, those things "_could_
have been done 'worse,'" too.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.


Well, maybe, but it's unfair to compare lesser countries to the US,
which suddenly and without warning or struggle internal or external,
came into existence as the perfect entity on June 21, 1788...

HTH,
R


He shoots....He scores!


Ric


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Old June 27th, 2006, 06:08 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
@trndny07:

Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.

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Nothing like changing the question to suite your answer, eh?



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