Can any of youse guys help out on this one?

On Jan 24, 1:57 pm, "Daniel-San" wrote:
"Conan The Librarian" wrote ...

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Age range 60 and up. Affluent types.I thought you over 60 types were *all* millionaires....

Best news I've heard lately!

Wolfgang
who, what with one recent major car repair just past and awaiting the
dreaded mechanic call on what will almost certainly be another, is
heartened (if only minimally) on considering that 60 ain't all that far
off.

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Wolfgang
who, what with one recent major car repair just past and awaiting the
dreaded mechanic call on what will almost certainly be another, is
heartened (if only minimally) on considering that 60 ain't all that far
off.


Repair on the new wheels?

....after the mileage and age on your last set of wheels I thought you were
repair proof!...you did sell the old van to Littleton didn't you?

john

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
who, what with one recent major car repair just past and awaiting the
dreaded mechanic call on what will almost certainly be another, is
heartened (if only minimally) on considering that 60 ain't all that far
off.


Repair on the new wheels?

Yeah.....but then, "new" is a relative term.

...after the mileage and age on your last set of wheels I thought you were
repair proof!...

I actually invested a good deal of money and aggravation in that van.
Still, a lifetime of coddling old vehicles has been a lot cheaper in the
long run than buying new ones.

you did sell the old van to Littleton didn't you?

I donated it to the Humane Society. How's THAT for irony!

Wolfgang
and, anyway, the new problem turned out to be related to the old problem.
bottom line for the second fix: $0.00.

Daniel-San wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote ...

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Age range 60 and up. Affluent types.

I thought you over 60 types were *all* millionaires. No?

Who are you callin' over 60, Ph.D. Boy?


Chuck Vance (better be careful or I'll place a call and have the
liberry folks revoke your research card)

"Conan The Librarian" wrote ...
Daniel-San wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote ...

[...]

Age range 60 and up. Affluent types.
I thought you over 60 types were *all* millionaires. No?

Who are you callin' over 60, Ph.D. Boy?

Hey... I gots my ownself 25 years yet before I have to face the LaCoursian
"millionaire or putz" test. While I'm not much of a betting man, if left to
my own devices, I'd bet on "putz."



Chuck Vance (better be careful or I'll place a call and have the
liberry folks revoke your research card)

Empty threat.... they haven't paid the phone bill in years. Or the heat,
either. Brrrr....

There are many problems with the library here ("state" school and all) but I
gotta say all in all, the place works well. The ILL guy here is a magician.
I have the entire run (75 years) of an obscure journal in my carrel. Only
two libraries in the world have the entire run, and one of them ended up in
my carrel on a full-year loan. Magic, I tell ya. I owe that guy a bottle of
good booze.

Dan
....who must admit that the overwhelming lack of public interest in
_International Bookbinder_ *may* have had something to do with UW Madison's
generosity.

Daniel-San wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote ...

Who are you callin' over 60, Ph.D. Boy?

Hey... I gots my ownself 25 years yet before I have to face the LaCoursian
"millionaire or putz" test. While I'm not much of a betting man, if left to
my own devices, I'd bet on "putz."

Well I'm a bit closer to that test, and I'm pretty sure I won't be a
millionaire (well, unless you mean have I earned a million dollars in my
lifetime, in which case ... oh, nevermind ... )

There are many problems with the library here ("state" school and all) but I
gotta say all in all, the place works well. The ILL guy here is a magician.
I have the entire run (75 years) of an obscure journal in my carrel. Only
two libraries in the world have the entire run, and one of them ended up in
my carrel on a full-year loan. Magic, I tell ya. I owe that guy a bottle of
good booze.

Being that he's a liberrian, "good" may not be a pre-requisite. In
fact, he likely wouldn't know the difference.

Dan
...who must admit that the overwhelming lack of public interest in
_International Bookbinder_ *may* have had something to do with UW Madison's
generosity.

Oooooh ... I just *have* to hear why you (or anyone else, for that
matter) need access to 75 years of _IB_.


Chuck Vance (not that there's anything wrong with that)

"Conan The Librarian" wrote...

Oooooh ... I just *have* to hear why you (or anyone else, for that
matter) need access to 75 years of _IB_.


Chuck Vance (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Well.... I do social/labor history. I was really struck by David
Montgomery's _Fall of the House of Labor_ , especially the first half of the
book, where he describes the transition some workers made, because of
industrialization, from artisans (skilled, independent work --think
blacksmith in his own shop) to "operative" -- someone really good at a very
small portion of a manufacturing process, like the person who sewed the
botton on a shirt a million times a week. Throw in a lot of Herbert
Gutman's "pre-industrial" culture as class identifier and source of class
consciousness and strength, and add a lot of Leon Fink's occupational
culture studies, and Sean Wilentz' concept of artisan republicanism and
description of the commodification of labor and you have the somewhat muddy
framework for my studies.

Ok...so this transition (artisan to operative) has happened in many
industries (most, actually) and has been documented a half a zillion times
by half a zillion historians. So what? How do the bookbinders fit in?

(Cue up Twilight Zone music)

Imagine if you will DaVinci. True artist...a national treasure of
Renaissance Italy, no? Ok, so now imagine DaVinci being alive to see the
process of creating frescoes change from an artist with brushes and paint to
one where wallpaper is used. A major change, no? One might even consider it
a shocking change. One most likely worthy of study, me thinks.

The early (pre-industrial...pre-1900 certainly) bookbinders were in fact
national treasures who produced works that were considered high art (see
Frank Comparato, _Books for the Millions_ or any of Mirjam Foot's copious
studies for a good discussion of that.) These guys and, quite surprisingly,
gals, made their own tools, tanned the leather they used, "foiled" the gold
that they used to emboss books, and the designs on the cover were as
treasured by the wealthy as a fine painting. Nowadays, books are made by
essentially pressing a button. in goes paper, out comes book. Presto.

While many "artisanal" occupations have undergone that change, bookbinding
comes the closest to approximating the imagined (DaVinci) change above. Real
art becomes mass produced.

Along side that whole change... the bookbinders have the peculiar habit of
not giving up their craft identity. Even up until the mid 1970s, when the
International Brotherhood of Bookbinders (publishers of the journal in
question) gets sucked into the teamsters, they still use an archaic system
of job titles, refusing to let go of a shared pre-industrial occupational
culture. They hold on to this image of bookbinder-as-artist -- partially
because there are still tiny craft bideries operating all over the world,
and partially because of large amount of pride in being connected to the
artistic history of "the book."

They also take the somewhat odd and quite remarkable tack of welcoming their
own anachronizing. They encourage the mechanization of the bindery because
they are (note lower case "r") republicans devoted to this odd, whiggish
notion of "progress." This is *not* common in labor history. Possibly
unique, at least in the 20th century. Many unions had cordial relations with
their industry (think railroads pre-1900 or so and iron workers
pre-Taylorization and pre-US Steel, etc.,) but BOMK, none actually
encouraged their own destruction.

Anyway...all of that is documented pretty damned well in _International
Bookbinder._

My wife *loves* to describe what I do to her co-workers. I told her to just
say I study labor history. Easy and mostly accurate.

I know....I'm a thrill at parties.

Dan

"Conan The Librarian" wrote

Urgent! SAG national commercial needs folks who can fly fish. Age
range 60 and up. Affluent types. Graying hair a plus.
Please let me know if you know anyone in this demographic, or if you
are one of these!



Chuck Vance (so, does anyone around here fit the bill?)

i'd love to help out, but i'm busy with bob redford's sequel to "a river
runs through it". bob wants me to do the brad pitt part, him being dead and
all.

yfitons
wayno

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:18:54 -0500, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:

i'd love to help out, but i'm busy with bob redford's sequel to "a river
runs through it". bob wants me to do the brad pitt part, him being dead and
all.

Yeah, I suppose you could do a pretty good dead guy in your sleep, as long as
it's a silent movie. g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

Wayne Harrison wrote:

i'd love to help out, but i'm busy with bob redford's sequel to "a river
runs through it". bob wants me to do the brad pitt part, him being dead and
all.

Hmmmm ... Redford looks pretty bad these days, but I didn't realize
he was dead.


Chuck Vance