Leaders with least memory? (Also, wallet suggestion?)

On 18 Sep, 16:20, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:

oh btw: I do enjoy your contributions to the group on fly-fishing....
-tom

Just in case it was not clear, my main reason for using Maxima, is
because it has a matt finish. I consider this to be of paramount
importance, especially, but not only, for dry fly fishing. Most other
nylons have a smooth mirror finish, and the glinting from this can
spook fish badly. One may de-glint nylon by pulling it through a
paste of Fuller´s earth, but this is not necessary with Maxima. Also,
to make it sink, one merely needs to pull it through a very dilute
soap solution.

Unfortunately, and directly due to the "rough" matt finish, it is more
or less impossible to straighten fine Maxima using your fingers, or
(leader straighteners), the co-efficient of friction is very much
greater than that of smooth nylon, and usually it will break.

TL
MC

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:39:45 -0700,
wrote:

I generally use Orvis Super Strong Nylon leaders (usually 9ft, 4x -
6x), and very occasionally their flourocarbon.

As do I. I've been using Super Strong mono for about 20 years and
they are my favorite. I wouldn't worry about memory - I simply
stretch the leader in my hands before putting it on and consider the
memory a very minor problem.

I bought a leader wallet 20 years ago. I used it for one season and
found little use for it. Instead I store extra leaders in a handy
little inside pocket of my vest. Works for me. And yes, they get wet
as I do. If I'm not wet, I'm not catching fish. I have some great
water proof fly boxes. d;o)

Dave

wrote:
Just lost my leader wallet, and all of my leaders. Before I go out
and by a whole new set, figured I'd get your collective opinions on
your favorite mono-tapered leaders, and leader wallets. But also, let
me describe my experience, and complaints:

I generally use Orvis Super Strong Nylon leaders (usually 9ft, 4x -
6x), and very occasionally their flourocarbon. I love the lines for
their strength. I rarely break off a fish with this stuff. But, one
thing I really hated about this last batch was the memory. Every time
I'd get out a new leader I'd have to use my leader straightener 2-3
times, and even then it still had some curls. I tried out a different
brand today (I believe it was Dai Riki?), and it definitely had less
of a memory issue.

So - what're your favorite leaders, with little memory issues? Have
any of the magazines ever done head-to-head comparisons for this kind
of thing? ...

I use Orvis Super Strong, I've tried Rio, Dai Riki, Maxima, etc.
but I always switch back to Orvis SS. I buy 7.5' 3X and then
build the rest of the leader from there with Orvis SS tippet.

I don't believe in leader straighteners or fluorocarbon. It's
not necessary to generate more heat than can be generated by
pulling a leader through your fingers to straighten it. It's
way too easy to damage a leader with a leader straightener.
And fluorocarbon never goes away. If you accidentally drop a
piece of nylon mono in the stream it'll eventually break down,
fluorocarbon is forever.

It's been awhile since I subscribed to any of the magazines
but if they're anything like they used to be they wouldn't
dare publish an article giving an honest opinion about the
various leaders for fear of ****ing off all but one leader
manufacturer.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:39:45 -0700,
wrote:

Just lost my leader wallet, and all of my leaders. Before I go out
and by a whole new set, figured I'd get your collective opinions on
your favorite mono-tapered leaders, and leader wallets. But also, let
me describe my experience, and complaints:

I generally use Orvis Super Strong Nylon leaders (usually 9ft, 4x -
6x), and very occasionally their flourocarbon. I love the lines for
their strength. I rarely break off a fish with this stuff. But, one
thing I really hated about this last batch was the memory. Every time
I'd get out a new leader I'd have to use my leader straightener 2-3
times, and even then it still had some curls. I tried out a different
brand today (I believe it was Dai Riki?), and it definitely had less
of a memory issue.

So - what're your favorite leaders, with little memory issues? Have
any of the magazines ever done head-to-head comparisons for this kind
of thing?

Then, for a leader wallet, I also used Orvis'. What I didn't like
about that, was that every time I'd get it wet (which was pretty
frequently), the fabric would take a while to dry. I'd prefer
something that didn't hold water at all, I think. Some kind of vinyl,
perhaps? Thoughts?

Thanks guys...

Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them. I've got such set-ups in a
number of places and if done high up (at or near the ceiling, at or near
the crown or picture moulding, etc.) and on the entry-door wall, they
all but disappear. At the very least, store them in as large a coil as
possible - put a cuphook in the back of a large piece of furniture and
store them there in large coils (this works for line, too).

I wouldn't use a leader wallet, but if I did, I'd only use it as a very
temporary carrying device, not a storage device. If one is determined
to use one, and one chooses a vinyl one with "envelopes" (i.e., one that
can trap water in the "envelopes"), one is faced with dampness issues.
They are "fabric" and "mesh" for a reason.

As to carrying a large CD wallet astream - WTF? As to storage, it
wouldn't be my choice, but hey, that's why there is chocolate and
vanilla. If you simply must have a wallet, and don't like the Orvis
one, maybe look for a sal****er rig wallet or a plastic worm wallet in
vinyl.

For carrying astream, I'd offer that simply sticking a couple
(individually) in small ziptop packets would suffice, and when returning
home, replace on the "rack." I personally like the small dental floss
"boxes" for a lot of things, including tippet, but YMMV.

As to the leaders themselves, I don't find all that much difference
between the multitude of brandings when comparing apples to apples,
material- and construction-wise. IOW, there are differences when
comparing mono to braid or mono to fluoro, but, um, "mono a mono," IMO,
there just isn't the vast differences some think there is - again, YMMV.

TC,
R

wrote in message
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Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them.

Well, sure, that's good enough as far as it goes.......but what about
stopping neutrinos?

Wolfgang
who knows that one ignores entropy at one's peril.

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:24:40 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them.

Well, sure, that's good enough as far as it goes.......but what about
stopping neutrinos?

Wolfgang
who knows that one ignores entropy at one's peril.



I don't know about neutrinos but one of the guys on the WI MB just
emailed me asking for your leader formula Wolf. It was Jeremy, the
Brit. He tried one at Avalanche a few years ago and they impressed
him. He says that he's approaching perfection and they just might push
him over the edge.

g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:24:40 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them.

Well, sure, that's good enough as far as it goes.......but what about
stopping neutrinos?

Wolfgang
who knows that one ignores entropy at one's peril.



I don't know about neutrinos but one of the guys on the WI MB just
emailed me asking for your leader formula Wolf. It was Jeremy, the
Brit. He tried one at Avalanche a few years ago and they impressed
him. He says that he's approaching perfection and they just might push
him over the edge.

Ah yes, the secret formula! They'll have to pry it out of my cold dead
brain! There is no power on Earth that can make me reveal that I start with
a hunk of cheap 30 lb. nylon mono about 30 inches long (or somewhere in that
neighborhood, anyhow) and then work down through 20 lb., 15, 12, 10, 8, and
6 (all of which are the cheapest nylon mono I can lay my hands on*) with
each successive piece being 2/3 the length of the previous chunk until we
reach ten inches or so, after which any remaining are tied at that length
(all lengths being "finished" lengths....after knots at both ends are
completed......remember to make appropriate allowances). I use the
Surgeon's Knot, three turns for the big stuff, four for the smaller.

This formula is doubtless the result of many years of painstaking research,
calculation, experimentation and whatnot all by someone with a great deal of
dedication and determination. I found it somewhere or other a long time
ago. It worked. Never bothered to look at any others.

Tell Jeremy I says hello and if we ever meet up again and he casts better
than me, he owes me something or other.

Wolfgang
* eagle claw something or other.....buck seventy seven a spool.....at k-mart
or wal-mart.....or something or other like that.....if memory serves.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:43:43 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:24:40 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


wrote in message
...


Don't store your leaders coiled. Put a couple of wire nails about 10-12
feet/3-4m apart in a climate-controlled room and use plastic coated
paperclips and rubber bands to store them.

Well, sure, that's good enough as far as it goes.......but what about
stopping neutrinos?

Wolfgang
who knows that one ignores entropy at one's peril.



I don't know about neutrinos but one of the guys on the WI MB just
emailed me asking for your leader formula Wolf. It was Jeremy, the
Brit. He tried one at Avalanche a few years ago and they impressed
him. He says that he's approaching perfection and they just might push
him over the edge.

Ah yes, the secret formula! They'll have to pry it out of my cold dead
brain! There is no power on Earth that can make me reveal that I start with
a hunk of cheap 30 lb. nylon mono about 30 inches long (or somewhere in that
neighborhood, anyhow) and then work down through 20 lb., 15, 12, 10, 8, and
6 (all of which are the cheapest nylon mono I can lay my hands on*) with
each successive piece being 2/3 the length of the previous chunk until we
reach ten inches or so, after which any remaining are tied at that length
(all lengths being "finished" lengths....after knots at both ends are
completed......remember to make appropriate allowances). I use the
Surgeon's Knot, three turns for the big stuff, four for the smaller.

This formula is doubtless the result of many years of painstaking research,
calculation, experimentation and whatnot all by someone with a great deal of
dedication and determination. I found it somewhere or other a long time
ago. It worked. Never bothered to look at any others.

Tell Jeremy I says hello and if we ever meet up again and he casts better
than me, he owes me something or other.

Wolfgang
* eagle claw something or other.....buck seventy seven a spool.....at k-mart
or wal-mart.....or something or other like that.....if memory serves.



Thanks Wolfgang

g.c.

On Sep 17, 11:39 pm, wrote:
Just lost my leader wallet, and all of my leaders. Before I go out
and by a whole new set, figured I'd get your collective opinions on
your favorite mono-tapered leaders, and leader wallets. But also, let
me describe my experience, and complaints:

I generally use Orvis Super Strong Nylon leaders (usually 9ft, 4x -
6x), and very occasionally their flourocarbon. I love the lines for
their strength. I rarely break off a fish with this stuff. But, one
thing I really hated about this last batch was the memory. Every time
I'd get out a new leader I'd have to use my leader straightener 2-3
times, and even then it still had some curls. I tried out a different
brand today (I believe it was Dai Riki?), and it definitely had less
of a memory issue.

So - what're your favorite leaders, with little memory issues? Have
any of the magazines ever done head-to-head comparisons for this kind
of thing?

Then, for a leader wallet, I also used Orvis'. What I didn't like
about that, was that every time I'd get it wet (which was pretty
frequently), the fabric would take a while to dry. I'd prefer
something that didn't hold water at all, I think. Some kind of vinyl,
perhaps? Thoughts?

Thanks guys...

I like Climax for the knotless tapered leader. As Ken said, usually
drawing it through your fingers wil generate enough heat to make it
straight enough fo use. I really have no preference as to leader
wallets. I generally just carry a spare leader in it's original
packaging in a small vest pocket.

Wow.

Thank you for your thoughts, everyone. I think I have learned that a)
mono leaders are basically the same in terms of memory, b) the
friction from my fingers should be enough to straighten them, at least
down at the thinner ends, and c) there are varying opinions on both
leader brands and solutions for carrying and/or storing your leaders.

Thanks again to everyone who posted!

Tim

PS - Oh, and I forgot to add c) you are all totally insane.