VP huntin and npr program...

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:41:16 -0000, BJ Conner
attempted to troll:

On Oct 21, 2:51 pm, "asadi" wrote:
It appears the ranch Dick hunts on works in this fashion.

The birds are raised in a pen...you tell the 'guides' how many birds you
want to shoot.

You go out into the field and take up your position. The 'guide' takes the
bird into a bush and when you are ready, he let's them go...

The bird gets maybe 4 seconds of freedom . . .

I thought it was pretty sick...

john

It makes your wonder which came first the despicable hunter ethic

And another who has fished over stockers making judgments about hunting
stockers...

or the amoral politicians the state has cursed the nation with.

California? New York? Arkansas? Florida? I mean, you'll have to be
more specific...there's 50 or so to choose from...

Texas has hundreds of places where you can "hunt" Oryx, Axis deer, Elk or
anything else the can be flow in.

It does? OK, name them all.

IAC, the whole world has billions and billions of places where you can
do the same thing. In fact, I would submit that you can "hunt"
elephants, spotted owls, Cape buffalo and any other animal, vegetable or
mineral in your bathroom, just like you could fill your bathtub with
water and "fish" for marlin...

For mere money you can be taken out in a John Deer Gator and
become a real hunter. You don't even have to get your feet muddy.

Yeah, it's darned near like driving up to a stream and fishing over
stockers...

If you can't afford that then it's back to the deer lease to pop one of
those tame deer that's been eating at the deer feeder all year.

Or, well, drive up to a stream and fish over stockers...

If you don't have any morals, ethics or principles about hunting you
wouldn't have any about anything.

Would you substitute "fishing" for "hunting" in your statement above or
are you a hypocritical judgmental idiot rather than just a plain ol'
judgmental idiot? And your misusage and redundancy demonstrating your
lack of understanding of the concepts aside, it's impossible for a
hunter (or fisher) to (not) "have any morals, ethics or principles about
hunting." Just as it is possible for someone to not have "ethics or
principles about hunting," yet be ethical and have principles. In fact,
the latter is true of many folks.

HTH,
R

On Oct 22, 6:07 am, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:41:16 -0000, BJ Conner
attempted to troll:





On Oct 21, 2:51 pm, "asadi" wrote:
It appears the ranch Dick hunts on works in this fashion.

The birds are raised in a pen...you tell the 'guides' how many birds you
want to shoot.

You go out into the field and take up your position. The 'guide' takes the
bird into a bush and when you are ready, he let's them go...

The bird gets maybe 4 seconds of freedom . . .

I thought it was pretty sick...

john

It makes your wonder which came first the despicable hunter ethic

And another who has fished over stockers making judgments about hunting
stockers...

or the amoral politicians the state has cursed the nation with.

California? New York? Arkansas? Florida? I mean, you'll have to be
more specific...there's 50 or so to choose from...

Texas has hundreds of places where you can "hunt" Oryx, Axis deer, Elk or
anything else the can be flow in.

It does? OK, name them all.

IAC, the whole world has billions and billions of places where you can
do the same thing. In fact, I would submit that you can "hunt"
elephants, spotted owls, Cape buffalo and any other animal, vegetable or
mineral in your bathroom, just like you could fill your bathtub with
water and "fish" for marlin...

For mere money you can be taken out in a John Deer Gator and
become a real hunter. You don't even have to get your feet muddy.

Yeah, it's darned near like driving up to a stream and fishing over
stockers...

If you can't afford that then it's back to the deer lease to pop one of
those tame deer that's been eating at the deer feeder all year.

Or, well, drive up to a stream and fish over stockers...

If you don't have any morals, ethics or principles about hunting you
wouldn't have any about anything.

Would you substitute "fishing" for "hunting" in your statement above or
are you a hypocritical judgmental idiot rather than just a plain ol'
judgmental idiot? And your misusage and redundancy demonstrating your
lack of understanding of the concepts aside, it's impossible for a
hunter (or fisher) to (not) "have any morals, ethics or principles about
hunting." Just as it is possible for someone to not have "ethics or
principles about hunting," yet be ethical and have principles. In fact,
the latter is true of many folks.

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

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blab-blab -blab.
You can write on and on. It's still chicken-****. You can
rationalize for days but it still ain't hunting. It makes real
hunters look bad and no one with any pride or self esteem would take
part in it.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:11:50 -0000, BJ Conner
wrote:

On Oct 22, 6:07 am, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:41:16 -0000, BJ Conner
attempted to troll:


On Oct 21, 2:51 pm, "asadi" wrote:
It appears the ranch Dick hunts on works in this fashion.

The birds are raised in a pen...you tell the 'guides' how many birds you
want to shoot.

You go out into the field and take up your position. The 'guide' takes the
bird into a bush and when you are ready, he let's them go...

The bird gets maybe 4 seconds of freedom . . .

I thought it was pretty sick...

john

Let's recap, shall we? John apparently heard the above on NPR. Even
the casual reader should notice that nothing is said about Cheney having
done anything described, only that he hunts on the ranch on which it
_appears_ to occur. IOW, Cheney could have been in a ghillie suit on
his belly stalking lawye...er, bee, er, deer, dammit, deer while John
Kerry kitted out in his new Abercrumbie and Flinch cammies and pointing
the butt of his brand new .300WM rifle at the released birds, wondering
why his brand new scope made things look so far away, all for a photo
op. But even taking the above description and its implications as
complete and accurate, it is predicated upon the presumed shooters
hitting the bird 100% of the time. I'd enjoy reading your explanation
of how hitting a flying bird released from a holding receptacle of some
sort is so much easier than hitting a bird who happened to be loose when
he was flushed. And even the casual FFing reader should have noted that
the above description would generally fit fishing in waters with stocked
fish. In fact, I'd offer that even John's/NPR's description puts more
chance into the "hunt" than fishing in stocked waters. It's not the
method or the man I support as much as it is the hypocrisy of the
detractors I cannot and do not.


It makes your wonder which came first the despicable hunter ethic

And another who has fished over stockers making judgments about hunting
stockers...

or the amoral politicians the state has cursed the nation with.

California? New York? Arkansas? Florida? I mean, you'll have to be
more specific...there's 50 or so to choose from...

Texas has hundreds of places where you can "hunt" Oryx, Axis deer, Elk or
anything else the can be flow in.

It does? OK, name them all.

IAC, the whole world has billions and billions of places where you can
do the same thing. In fact, I would submit that you can "hunt"
elephants, spotted owls, Cape buffalo and any other animal, vegetable or
mineral in your bathroom, just like you could fill your bathtub with
water and "fish" for marlin...

For mere money you can be taken out in a John Deer Gator and
become a real hunter. You don't even have to get your feet muddy.

Yeah, it's darned near like driving up to a stream and fishing over
stockers...

If you can't afford that then it's back to the deer lease to pop one of
those tame deer that's been eating at the deer feeder all year.

Or, well, drive up to a stream and fish over stockers...

If you don't have any morals, ethics or principles about hunting you
wouldn't have any about anything.

Would you substitute "fishing" for "hunting" in your statement above or
are you a hypocritical judgmental idiot rather than just a plain ol'
judgmental idiot? And your misusage and redundancy demonstrating your
lack of understanding of the concepts aside, it's impossible for a
hunter (or fisher) to (not) "have any morals, ethics or principles about
hunting." Just as it is possible for someone to not have "ethics or
principles about hunting," yet be ethical and have principles. In fact,
the latter is true of many folks.

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

blab-blab -blab.
You can write on and on. It's still chicken-****. You can
rationalize for days but it still ain't hunting. It makes real
hunters look bad and no one with any pride or self esteem would take
part in it.

Uh-huh...OK, there, Grizzly Adams...what's your definition of a "real
hunter" or fisher?

HTH,
R

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4ax.com:

I'd enjoy reading your explanation
of how hitting a flying bird released from a holding receptacle of some
sort is so much easier than hitting a bird who happened to be loose when
he was flushed.

Brings to mind Mel Brooks in History of the World, when he was shooting at
peasants.

"Revolting?? They stink on ice!"

--
Scott
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On Oct 22, 7:56 am, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:11:50 -0000, BJ Conner
wrote:





On Oct 22, 6:07 am, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:41:16 -0000, BJ Conner
attempted to troll:

On Oct 21, 2:51 pm, "asadi" wrote:
It appears the ranch Dick hunts on works in this fashion.

The birds are raised in a pen...you tell the 'guides' how many birds you
want to shoot.

You go out into the field and take up your position. The 'guide' takes the
bird into a bush and when you are ready, he let's them go...

The bird gets maybe 4 seconds of freedom . . .

I thought it was pretty sick...

john

Let's recap, shall we? John apparently heard the above on NPR. Even
the casual reader should notice that nothing is said about Cheney having
done anything described, only that he hunts on the ranch on which it
_appears_ to occur. IOW, Cheney could have been in a ghillie suit on
his belly stalking lawye...er, bee, er, deer, dammit, deer while John
Kerry kitted out in his new Abercrumbie and Flinch cammies and pointing
the butt of his brand new .300WM rifle at the released birds, wondering
why his brand new scope made things look so far away, all for a photo
op. But even taking the above description and its implications as
complete and accurate, it is predicated upon the presumed shooters
hitting the bird 100% of the time. I'd enjoy reading your explanation
of how hitting a flying bird released from a holding receptacle of some
sort is so much easier than hitting a bird who happened to be loose when
he was flushed. And even the casual FFing reader should have noted that
the above description would generally fit fishing in waters with stocked
fish. In fact, I'd offer that even John's/NPR's description puts more
chance into the "hunt" than fishing in stocked waters. It's not the
method or the man I support as much as it is the hypocrisy of the
detractors I cannot and do not.







It makes your wonder which came first the despicable hunter ethic

And another who has fished over stockers making judgments about hunting
stockers...

or the amoral politicians the state has cursed the nation with.

California? New York? Arkansas? Florida? I mean, you'll have to be
more specific...there's 50 or so to choose from...

Texas has hundreds of places where you can "hunt" Oryx, Axis deer, Elk or
anything else the can be flow in.

It does? OK, name them all.

IAC, the whole world has billions and billions of places where you can
do the same thing. In fact, I would submit that you can "hunt"
elephants, spotted owls, Cape buffalo and any other animal, vegetable or
mineral in your bathroom, just like you could fill your bathtub with
water and "fish" for marlin...

For mere money you can be taken out in a John Deer Gator and
become a real hunter. You don't even have to get your feet muddy.

Yeah, it's darned near like driving up to a stream and fishing over
stockers...

If you can't afford that then it's back to the deer lease to pop one of
those tame deer that's been eating at the deer feeder all year.

Or, well, drive up to a stream and fish over stockers...

If you don't have any morals, ethics or principles about hunting you
wouldn't have any about anything.

Would you substitute "fishing" for "hunting" in your statement above or
are you a hypocritical judgmental idiot rather than just a plain ol'
judgmental idiot? And your misusage and redundancy demonstrating your
lack of understanding of the concepts aside, it's impossible for a
hunter (or fisher) to (not) "have any morals, ethics or principles about
hunting." Just as it is possible for someone to not have "ethics or
principles about hunting," yet be ethical and have principles. In fact,
the latter is true of many folks.

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

blab-blab -blab.
You can write on and on. It's still chicken-****. You can
rationalize for days but it still ain't hunting. It makes real
hunters look bad and no one with any pride or self esteem would take
part in it.

Uh-huh...OK, there, Grizzly Adams...what's your definition of a "real
hunter" or fisher?

HTH,
R- Hide quoted text -

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You sound like someone with den full of trophys that you shot in a
zoo. -err -- private animal preserve. Post some pictrues, It's been
a while since I've seen an Oryx.

blab-blab -blab.
You can write on and on. It's still chicken-****. You can
rationalize for days but it still ain't hunting. It makes real
hunters look bad and no one with any pride or self esteem would take
part in it.- Hide quoted text -


I've hunted pheasant farms a couple of times in the past. In my very
limited experience a certain number of pen raised birds are released
into the area you are assigned to hunt. The last time I went with a
friend to a pheasant farm over in Idaho, the birds were released into
a brushy creek bottom area about 3/4 of a mile long. The birds were
released about 1/2 hour before we were to start. We could shoot as
many birds as we wanted to pay for, as long we stayed in our assigned
area. I think we payed for the released birds and we payed for any
birds shot over the number of birds released.. Some escape, most sit
tight, some sat so tight the dogs caught them before they attempted to
fly, some move into another hunters area. Pheasant hunting it isn't.
It is a great way to get a young bird dog some training in how to hunt
birds, which is the reason we went to the farm I mentioned in Idaho,
both of the guys I went with were training bird dogs. The only other
time I did the farm raised bird thing was because I was training a
bird dog. I don't think its much different from catch and kill
fishing for stockers.

It looked to me like there were two basic categories of clients for
these farms- folks like my friends who were training dogs for pheasant
hunting (It's not legal to use dogs to chase pheasants around out of
season, so keeping a dog trained over nothing but wild birds is next
to impossible). And then there is the big shot corporate exec that
don't know jack about hunting or guns or dogs who wants a day in the
field. If a guide took his "sport" out in real field conditions,
well, it just wouldn't be pretty.

JH